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MF 35 diesel - Thermostat needed?

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paul bernard

03-07-2006 20:18:08




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Do I really need a thermostat? I put in a new one last month but I don"t think it opens.
The lower rad pipe remains cold after use. Thinking of pulling out the thermostat to have uninterrupted flow from the block to the rad. By the way, what causes a thermostat to open, heat or pressure? I don"t allow full pressure to build because I keep the rad cap cracked due to antifreeze overflow. I did detect small bubbles percolating up in the rad - perhaps a sign of a cracked head gasket. Replacing a head gasket is beyond my ability. Would removing the thermostat work? Thanks for your advice.

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Jerry/MT

03-08-2006 10:11:11




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 Re: MF 35 diesel - Thermostat needed? in reply to paul bernard, 03-07-2006 20:18:08  
Every water cooled engine needs a thermostat to maintain the engine at the proper operating temperature. This rduces wear,oil sludging,and increases fuel economy.
Diesels have variable peak cylinder temperatures because they have a varable fuel/air ratio (unlike the gas engine which pretty much hasa fixed fuel/air ratio). That's why it's hard to warm a diesel up by idling it, unless, like my Powerstroke, it has an enrichment device.

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Dean

03-08-2006 05:17:35




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 Re: MF 35 diesel - Thermostat needed? in reply to paul bernard, 03-07-2006 20:18:08  
Paul:

I have 2 MF-35 diesels, both have functional thermostats (believe me, I checked), and neither will come up to temperature unless they are worked. This engine bypasses quite a bit of water around the thermostat and this will prevent the engine from reaching operating temperature unless it is working. Your diesel engine does need a thermostat to operate properly.

As for the bubbles: This is not a good sign and could indicate a leeaking head gasket or worse.

Good Luck.

Dean

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Sodbuster

03-08-2006 03:20:16




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 Re: MF 35 diesel - Thermostat needed? in reply to paul bernard, 03-07-2006 20:18:08  
Your thermostat is very important to your cooling system. It heats your engine quickly and to the proper operating temperature in the winter and "cools" your engine in the summer, if it is operating correctly. Sometimes, they can give you problems and that is why it is very important to have a proper operating heat gauge on your dash and always glance at it during operation. It sounds to me like you may have the thermostat installed "backwards" or you may have other cooling problems such as the water pump, check for water flow in the radiator or leakage at the pump. If you live in a cold climate, you may have to let the tractor run longer for the thermostat to open. The colder it is the longer it will take.
That thermostat is there for a reason and it is as I described. If your heat gauge is working properly, it can save you many hours of trouble not to mention costly engine repairs. Hope this helps, good luck!

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naz

03-08-2006 02:39:26




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 Re: MF 35 diesel - Thermostat needed? in reply to paul bernard, 03-07-2006 20:18:08  
Just read you have a new cap!!!



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naz

03-08-2006 02:35:18




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 Re: MF 35 diesel - Thermostat needed? in reply to paul bernard, 03-07-2006 20:18:08  
Paul I had a similar problem with my 235,thermostat out a couple of times checking.Had antifreeze coming out cap as well.The spring in the cap should hold to a certain pressure(believe 235 was 7lbs. pressure)That's were my trouble was,cap-spring was weak,wouldn't build up to proper running pressure.Hope this helps,
Naz



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Bill Brox

03-08-2006 00:42:57




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 Re: MF 35 diesel - Thermostat needed? in reply to paul bernard, 03-07-2006 20:18:08  
Hi there.

Well, the thermostat opens because of the temperature. A common thing to do is to take the thermostat and put it in a casserole with water.
Then, boil it, and if you have a thermometer that goes that high you can check the temperature of the water.

Anyway, what happens is that when you start heating the casserole the thermostat is supposed to be closed, and when the temperature is about 160 or so it shall start opening, and when the temperature is about 185 it should be fully open.
So, if this happens your thermostart is ok and working. If your system still does not flow, there has to be a block in your system some place. Or the waterpump impeller does not turn for some reason.

I would give the advice that you should use your thermostart, at least if you live in an area where it gets a little chilly or cold in the winter. A too cold engine ruins performance and increase wear, and keeps the engine more dirty than it needs to be.

But, here is something I wonder about. You say you do not think your thermostat open, because the lower radiator hose is cold. If this happens your engine must be very very hot...

Look, here is a little trick. If you empty the radiator a little... so that the level is just below the upper pipe where the hose from the thermostat comes in, and then start, and you look down the filler hole in the radiator and peek the way the pipe comes out in the upper radiator tank you should be able to see the water come flowing out the pipe and into the radiator tank. If it does, there is flow. If not, wait until the engine is hot, and then peek again.

Let us hear what you find, I am curious.


Bill

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