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Big Dean MF85 Power Steering

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Utah Jim

02-22-2006 16:49:32




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Just purchased a 1959 MF 85. Ordered manuals from dealer but have not recieved them yet. Question is I have little or no power steering,is this common to this model? What can I check for. Any info on this would be appreciated. Also high-low stick pops out of gear. Last owner changed trans. fluid just before I bought it. He said it may be the fluid level. Thanks Utah Jim




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mn.Chuck

02-23-2006 14:20:34




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 Re: Big Dean MF85 Power Steering in reply to Utah Jim, 02-22-2006 16:49:32  
Tom is right on. The small pump is bolted on the
side of the housing and real easy to take off-and
to disassemble. A long shot but there is a screen
dipping downward from the small pump and that could be plugged. Another possibility-the leathers
in the horizontal (2) opposing cast iron cylinders
on the front steering column could be bad. Chuck.



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Tom Dold

02-23-2006 12:59:49




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 Re: Big Dean MF85 Power Steering in reply to Utah Jim, 02-22-2006 16:49:32  
Jim

The steering on the 85 is the same setup as the 88 and 90. The problem is usually the steering pump which is located on the right hand side of the transmission case. The oil from this pump is sent to a relief valve located in the clutch housing the valve is teed to the line routed to the oil filter and then to the steering valve. If the oil pressure exceeds approximately 1650 psi the relief valve dumps the excees oil back to the transmission. The return oil from the steering valve then goes to the oil cooler and finally to the pto valve. The pto vave regulates this oil to about 200 psi. There should be an oil sender that operates a lamp on the instrument panel that reads "don"t operate pto while light is on" (less than 150 psi). This is quite common if the tractor is idling, even on a good system. The pressure at the steering valve is going to be what ever effort it takes to turn the wheels, up to releif valve setting (1650 psi). The steering pump on an 85 does not operate the remote valves or the three point hitch. On a Super 90 it also operates the Multi-Power if equipped. To test the pump place a guage and service valve between the steering valve input line and the steering valve. Check the pressure before it goes into the steering valve by closing the service valve on test guage. Do not check the pressure after the oil cooler, because it will burst the cooler. The pto pressure can be checked by removing the pto lamp sender on the line along the right side of the fuel tank and inserting a 400-500 psi guage.

Tom Dold

Dold Implement
201 S. Main St.
PO Box 70
Howard, SD 57349 605-772-4541
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Utah Jim

02-23-2006 08:39:16




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 Re: Big Dean MF85 Power Steering in reply to Utah Jim, 02-22-2006 16:49:32  
A big thankyou for the info guys. I have many more questions but will wait until I recieve the manuals. I really appreciate your help.
Thanks to all,
Utah Jim



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Big Dean

02-23-2006 08:24:50




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 Re: Big Dean MF85 Power Steering in reply to Utah Jim, 02-22-2006 16:49:32  
Jim I have about forget all I knew about the MF85 we stopped working on them in our shop sometime in the mid 1980 because we could no longer get the parts we needed to repair them right. The steering system was a little complicated to check the pressure on. I think maybe some of them had their own power steering pump on the engine put not sure on that any more. Barnrat and Marlowe have probably told you more than I can about them.

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barnrat

02-22-2006 17:54:10




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 Re: Big Dean MF85 Power Steering in reply to Utah Jim, 02-22-2006 16:49:32  
Most common causes of power steering failure on the 85 are due to low pressure or flow. Causes are low fluid, plugged filter, restricted lines, defective relief valve or pump. If the pto is working properly then your problem would be likely the steering control valve.



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marlowe

02-22-2006 17:09:55




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 Re: Big Dean MF85 Power Steering in reply to Utah Jim, 02-22-2006 16:49:32  
see you got it. check if the three pt. works and if the pto works under load i'll bet not? and that will be why our ps don't work BAD PUNP and parts are few. as to high low springs on rail balls weak or broke or balls shot or bent shift fork or gears bad or bearing going bad or bad oil will not make it jump out of gear. hope you got it cheep because parts are going to cost if you can even find them gooooo od luck

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marlowe

02-22-2006 17:14:14




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 Re: Big Dean MF85 Power Steering in reply to marlowe, 02-22-2006 17:09:55  
it's been 10+ years the last time i worked on a 85 and can't recall but that might have it's own PS pump? could also be some seals in the unit that are bad just a lot of things with out testing pressure and out put. good luck



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