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MF35 - water in rear tyres - yes or no?

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John McKean

12-29-2005 13:53:45




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Have just discovered this forum over the past couple of weeks and found it to be most informative. I have a 4 cylinder diesel MF35 that has been rebuilt and now as a result of the discussion concerning starting, I don't have to use Aerostart so thank you. I live in Melbourne Australia where the temperature ranges from around 5 to 40 centigrade so don't have the freezing conditions that some of you encounter.
The main purpose of this posting is to ask about water in the rear tyres.
Recently I heard that you can extend the life of the transmission of any tractor by draining the water from the rear tyres. You will loose some traction but apparently not that much.
Has any body done this?

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John McKean

12-30-2005 04:32:40




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 Re: MF35 - water in rear tyres - yes or no? in reply to John McKean, 12-29-2005 13:53:45  
Thanks to every one for the responses. Looks like the water in the rear tyres should stay there.



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Arthur from Tassy

12-29-2005 22:33:27




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 Re: MF35 - water in rear tyres - yes or no? in reply to John McKean, 12-29-2005 13:53:45  
How are you John
Water ballast in the tyres is the best way in our conditions to improve the performance of a tractor when fitted with cross ply tyres, the wheel slippage without water when pulling hard soon scrubs the lugs off, if the tractor is set up correctly You should get well over 2000 hours out of a pair of back tyres ( i.e. 12.4 x 28 ). also I have seen water and wheel weights used together on 135"s without any ill effects, just bear in mind that our lighter soil conditions are dryer here than other parts of the world and the draught of the tractor needs to be consistent for its best performance.
the rules do change however for radial ply tyres and adding water is only done in special cases.
Cheers Arthur from Tassy

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wombat

12-29-2005 19:20:13




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 Re: MF35 - water in rear tyres - yes or no? in reply to John McKean, 12-29-2005 13:53:45  
Probably depends what work you are doing and how you operate it. Water in the tyres lowers the centre of gravity so for hilly country it is important. Soil in Melb varies. Cranbourne market gardens need all the grip they can get in the sand. The volcanic soil areas are another matter. A Front end loader puts other streeses on a tractor. Where are you in Melb? Who do you deal with?



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

12-29-2005 15:34:33




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 Re: MF35 - water in rear tyres - yes or no? in reply to John McKean, 12-29-2005 13:53:45  
I don't think you need worry about the 35's transmission failing because of overwork. Seems to me I read an article about the development of the MF65 from the 35. They added a larger engine but used the same tranny as it had originally been built to handle stresses much higher than a thirty-some horsepower engine could deliver.

To prevent transmission troubles I'd be careful to: 1. press DOWN on the gearshift when shifting forward/reverse so that the forks don't lock, 2. shift the hi/lo stick into neutral when dismounting the tractor (once I had mine drop into 1st on me just as I prepared to step off), 3. pay attention to the fluid level in the transmission.

The loaded tires should not be a problem.

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Jerry/MT

12-29-2005 14:22:17




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 Re: MF35 - water in rear tyres - yes or no? in reply to John McKean, 12-29-2005 13:53:45  
You can eventually cause damage to the drive line IF you "over ballast" the tractor. You do not want the condition where you are "geared to the ground" because of too much weight. I believe the correct ammount of "slip" is 5 % so that when you look at the tracks on dry soil ground, you want to see a little bit of indistinctness in the shape of the track as if the tire slipped a little bit. It's hard to explain but John Deere publishes (or used to) a series of books called something like "Principles of Farm Machinery" and they have photo's and a discussion of this very issue in it.

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old

12-29-2005 14:04:12




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 Re: MF35 - water in rear tyres - yes or no? in reply to John McKean, 12-29-2005 13:53:45  
Don't believe wear on the tranny etc. is true. I have more then one tractor that has fluid in the tires and have never had any problems with the tranny and or rear ends on them. These tractors have had the fluid in them for 20 plus years.



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AllanC

12-29-2005 20:53:28




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 Re: MF35 - water in rear tyres - yes or no? in reply to old, 12-29-2005 14:04:12  
I live in Canada where freezing is DEFINITELY an issue. What we do is mix Calcium Chloride with water and put in the tires. The Chloride adds weight and keeps it from freezing. Downside is. if the tube leaks it rusts the rims badly. This is almost universal here and helps traction considerably. If you have or wish to put a loader on your 35 you will want all the weight on the rear you can get.



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