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Multipower transmission MF 165 and hydrolic pump?

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Doug, Ontario

12-06-2005 17:24:29




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Thanks for all the info from my previous post asking about a sn for a 165. One of the replies said that it would have multipower.

What exactly is multipower. I have heard to stay away from multipower (I am not sure if it was for the 165 tractor) but would apprecieate further input.

There was also mention that the hydrolic pump was small and wouldn't run a loader very well. How bad would it be? could I increase the pump output? How would it effect bailing etc?

Thanks again for all your help/Doug

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Scott Mabee

12-10-2005 16:32:20




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 Re: Multipower transmission MF 165 and hydrolic pu in reply to Doug, Ontario, 12-06-2005 17:24:29  
Older 165's had only the 4 piston Ferguson system pump, Awesome to operate the 3 point hitch linkage, however insufficient flow for auxillary hydraulics. Multi-power tractors had an auxillary pump above the ferguson system pump that powered the multi-power clutch pack. The thing a lot of people weren't told is that the purpose of Multi power was to add an additional lower range incase the tractor began to bog down. Dealers were to train operators to leave it in high because the bearings in the Input housing of the transmission are only lubricated in High! Prolonged useage in low would destroy the input housing, sealing rings as well as the Multi-power input shaft.If at all posible find a "square Axle" 165 as it had auxillary pump as well as the ferguson system pump. There are no provisions to increase the output of the piston pump.

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lonestarjeff

12-08-2005 22:04:44




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 Re: Multipower transmission MF 165 and hydrolic pu in reply to Doug, Ontario, 12-06-2005 17:24:29  
Another nice thing besides engine braking in multipower high is the hill-holding capability in high. You can bring the tractor to a stop on an incline, disengage the primary clutch, & the tractor will hold steady(w/o using the brakes)until you re-engage the clutch to move on or drop the multipower lever into low.

Jeff



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Bill Brox

12-07-2005 13:32:14




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 Re: Multipower transmission MF 165 and hydrolic pu in reply to Doug, Ontario, 12-06-2005 17:24:29  
Hi. As the other says, the Multipower is freewheling in low, and when you drive forward and downhill. If I am right, it freewheels in high too, if you are backing up a hill and over the top and downhill again.

It is a very handy option, but finaly the clutch wears out and have to be replaced.

Well, about the hydraulic pump, it has a low capacity, it also depend some on the years. If you have an old MF 165 it will have the Mark 2 pump, but if a very new MF 165 it may have the Mark 3 pump. They are not interchangable. Both gives little oil out, but plenty of pressure. The Mark 3 pump I think give a little more oil, so a loader will be a little faster.

Also, the first MF 165 with multipower had a single multipower pump, located on top of the regular hydraulic pump, and gear driven. On some newer 100 series tractors, they changed to dual multipower pumps. One of the pumps delivered oil to the multipower clutch, and the other pump was connected to one of the inspetion covers on the side of the centerhousing. The oil from this pump could then be directed through a one way valve to a loader spool valve, and the oil from the regular hydr. pump to the 3 point linkage could be directed through a second one way valve and into the same loader spool valve. This way both pumps fed the loader and could speed it up considerably.

I have also heard about some of the old MF 165 that had a single multipower pump and also a pressure devider valve that gave the needed pressure to the multipower and the oil that was not needed went to the outlet to be used as the forementioned loader spool vale.

The reason some has warned you against the multipower is most likely that if you have bad brakes, and drive downhill there will be no engine braking. And therefor dangerous.

But with good brakes, it is no need to be worried.


Bill

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Bob N.Y.

12-07-2005 15:13:08




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 Re: Multipower transmission MF 165 and hydrolic pu in reply to Bill Brox, 12-07-2005 13:32:14  
Multi-Power does NOT free wheel in high if it is working.



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Big Dean

12-07-2005 07:17:29




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 Re: Multipower transmission MF 165 and hydrolic pu in reply to Doug, Ontario, 12-06-2005 17:24:29  
The multipower is just another two speed that is hydraulically shifted into the high range. It gives you 12 forward and 4 reverse speeds. When they are working right they are a very good option but they can be a little expensive to repair. As Aaron said in the earlier post when they are in low they have no engine braking and will free wheel. If you would like to no more about how they work email me.

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Aaron Ford

12-06-2005 18:34:36




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 Re: Multipower transmission MF 165 and hydrolic pu in reply to Doug, Ontario, 12-06-2005 17:24:29  
The 165 is a very capable tractor. The multipower effectively adds 4 more gears to the existing 8. The problem that most have is that there is a freewheeling issue if the lever is left in the low position. Perhaps someone else can explain this better. I have never owned one with multipower. The hydraulics are more than capable for normal use. For loader and other hi-flow applications, I believe a larger bore pump was used. .98" v/s .91" Planetary gears, disc brakes and spin in-spin out wheels made this a very popular tractor

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