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Pony troubles... and troubles...

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ifty

11-01-2005 07:07:16




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Well I thought I would just post this, as I have aquired a 1949 Pony, and I could tell right away it was going to be alot of work and money to restore. I loved it so I bought it anyways. It has a woods belly mower on it also (L59 Model) with all original manuals for both mower and tractor.

The engine smoked and the entire tractor leaks from every crack, seam, on it. Wiring was shot, and I replaced all that with new wires and switchs, it runs ok, but smokey. Cuts grass very well with the mower. Just took the engine apart, the crank will need welded and ground, it is scored badly on the 4th cylinder. Two of the connecting rods are slightly bent, all valves are shot. I am feeling a little down right now but I keep telling myself I will find all the parts and it will pur like a new kitty one of these days. Go back to cutting a nice 10acre lawn in style. One reason I bought this tractor, love the looks of it compared to a new riding lawn mower that I could of bought.

Anyways, My local autoparts claims he can get all the parts, I am going to talk to him tonight, hope he can do what he says.

Anyone have any links for pony parts? Post your links here? I'm thinking of starting a pony website that can a little more informative, since I can't really find a site geared towards the pony, would anyone be interested in this?

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Irv Plitzuweit

11-01-2005 19:36:24




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to ifty, 11-01-2005 07:07:16  
My friend helped me rebuild a pony motor (N-62) and it had excessive end play on the crank. He had a lath so we "trimmed" a washer to get end play within spects. Tractor seems to run fine now. Sorry I can't remember more of exactly what we did and where we placed that "trimmed" washer.



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Sonny Myers

11-06-2005 15:30:22




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to Irv Plitzuweit, 11-01-2005 19:36:24  
I to have just bought a 47 Massey Harris Pony,runs ok,battery shot,cranked on third hand crank. I will be looking for mechanice manual,Payed $800.00,did I get stuck ????



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ifty

11-07-2005 07:50:13




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to Sonny Myers, 11-06-2005 15:30:22  
I don't think you got stuck, but if it is like mine it will just take more money to get it going good.

I paid 1100, but mine had the woods L59 belly mower on it, hooked up and ready to go. Very nice mower, and in really good shape so that made it worth the money I paid.



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ifty

11-02-2005 03:47:16




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to Irv Plitzuweit, 11-01-2005 19:36:24  
That is a great idea, this sort of thing is what I like to see, little tips and tricks. I will keept that in the back of my head when I got to figure what I have to do to shim my crank to remove the end play.

Thanks Irv



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ifty

11-01-2005 19:18:55




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to ifty, 11-01-2005 07:07:16  
Well I posted but it didn"t post?

Anyways, I live in Cadet, Missouri about 70 miles south of St Louis.

I stopped by the local autopart store and the same old guy that has ran if for many years said he can get all the parts I need. That makes me feel a little better. I should of never caught this old tractor fever.

I felt sorry for this tractor and feel it deserves to be restored. The owner before me really abused it, I found the oil dipstick that was missing all ground up and laying in the oil pan. The oil pickup tube had a homemade screen on it that had cloth hanger wire wrapped around it. It would shift into 2nd gear without being in reverse also which bends it all up, and naturally it had a couple broken teeth on the 2nd gear. I purchased all used good gears and shift forks from rusty"s acres, good company and guy. The shift forks I had were all welded up and not reaching the gears to hold them in place.

I"m very grateful that my father and brothers are all metal workers, welders, machinist. They made me a pair of side panels. Made a custom clutch pedal with a "S" bend in it to go around the steering rod and not rub on it. Fix the clutch rod which was welded very poorly back together. Now you can"t even tell it was broken. They are working on a modified battery tray to set in the orginal battery area. I just worry about all the leaking going on in the rear, around the PTO, PTO on/off rod, rear wheel seals bull gear area, out the sides of the transfer case into the brake housing. If it holds fluids it leaks, I don"t even know where to begin looking for those, every site I see don"t have any of those seals. I hear that old tractors like that actually may use a piece of cloth of some sort, felt, leather or something to seal with, is that true? I forgot what material they said it was exactly.

Anyways, as for the end play of the crank in the N62 I don"t know, all I know is my crank moved a lot, way more than the maximum limit. My manual says to use shims to adjust the end play to the listed amount in the book.

I think I will start up a little pony site just for the heck of it, I will put up restore of my tractor and start collecting info, links and pictures.

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Just a thought also

11-01-2005 19:07:56




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to ifty, 11-01-2005 07:07:16  
If time is not of the essence, check places like e-bay or these pages, that may have tractors that are broken in places other than the motor. If you have room, a "parts tractor" laying around is not a bad idea. Good luck.



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Stan(PA)

11-01-2005 15:35:49




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to ifty, 11-01-2005 07:07:16  
I"ve heard that NAPA could still get all the parts for the Continental N62 engine. There is also this place that has the parts
montesequipment.com/
Worse comes to worse, Restoration Supply sells rebuilt short blocks for $1600 ..... Stan



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Jim Williamson

11-01-2005 17:53:43




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to Stan(PA), 11-01-2005 15:35:49  
Hi all, I have heard that the N62 continental engine was not made to have a clutch attached to it. Everytime you push in the clutch it pushes the crank forward. It does not have a thrust bearing. Is this true? Anyone know? Jim



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MICAH T TATUM

11-15-2005 09:00:53




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to Jim Williamson, 11-01-2005 17:53:43  
When I rebuild mine a few years back I got all the parts from NAPA including gasket sets I needed.As for as the engine it works well with a clutch.It sounds like you have some serious internal problems like excessive end-play on the crank which will require disassembly of the engine any way.But....If you teardown, make a commitment to finish because the longer the tractor stays tore apart the harder it is to put back together.(lost parts,etc.) Good Luck' Micah

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Larryr

11-01-2005 15:07:04




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to ifty, 11-01-2005 07:07:16  
check [email protected]



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Ken Crisman

11-01-2005 19:49:26




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to Larryr, 11-01-2005 15:07:04  
Ok , what's the secret on getting to this website www.masseyharrispony @ yahoo ? Email me please . I think those little tractors are so cute . My Dad had a new one in the early 50s . I wouldn't mind learning more about them & what's available as parts . I even like pics of them . Someday i hope to add one to my Ford collection . Ken



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Larryr

11-02-2005 03:24:28




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to Ken Crisman, 11-01-2005 19:49:26  
My mistake it is [email protected]



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ifty

11-02-2005 03:44:38




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to Larryr, 11-02-2005 03:24:28  
The "@" symbol is and invalid syntax in a URL. I know what your talking about though, it is a massey harris pony yahoo group. I will look it up with I get home today. My work blocks yahoo from being browsed.



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ifty

11-02-2005 03:44:37




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to Larryr, 11-02-2005 03:24:28  
The "@" symbol is and invalid syntax in a URL. I know what your talking about though, it is a massey harris pony yahoo group. I will look it up with I get home today. My work blocks yahoo from being browsed.



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Suggestion ....

11-01-2005 11:30:21




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to ifty, 11-01-2005 07:07:16  
Parts of course can get pricey for those little Continental engines. I might suggest looking around for something that is useable "as is", there is always somebody that has something. Advertise in the classifieds here, probably a lot of Pony action. Where abouts do you live?



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ifty

11-01-2005 19:22:50




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to Suggestion ...., 11-01-2005 11:30:21  
Oh and one more thing for you pony owners, my brother made a shifter boot, by going to the autoparts store and picking up a brake master cylinder boot for a car. He got one close in size and it fit right on there nice and tight.

Just a thought.



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Stan(PA)

11-02-2005 05:42:47




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to ifty, 11-01-2005 19:22:50  
Do you remember what car the master cylinder boot was from? I"m still looking for a shifter boot ...Stan



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ifty

11-02-2005 07:35:02




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 Re: Pony troubles... and troubles... in reply to Stan(PA), 11-02-2005 05:42:47  
I am not sure what car it was for, I don't think he even knows, we know the local autopart store owner, just a small little shop. We took measurements and went there to look at all the little rubber boots he had in back, turn out there was one that close to the size and it goes on there pretty nicely like it was made for it.

I will see what I can dig up on it. Sorry I don't have more info, but I will try to go there soon and look at them again and maybe find a part number.

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