Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Attention Forum Users: On the 28th of December 2023 at 9:00am Central Time, we will be taking the forums down for maintenance while we prepare the new forums for your use. Please click here for more information.

Massey Harris & Massey Ferguson Tractors Discussion Forum
:

Pertronix news

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
RandyR

06-27-2005 16:32:03




Report to Moderator

Well more news about the Pertronix conversion. I had bought a kit #1145A, and found it didn't fit. The plate was too big to fit in the dist. But that is the one that's recommended. I called Pertronix tech line and found that it's made for a dist with a screw down cap. Mine is a clip on type.
The right one is 1143. I placed an order with Genessee, they knew what the right one was. So I can hardly wait for delivery. They seem like good folks to deal with.

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
txgrn

06-28-2005 05:17:04




Report to Moderator
 Re: Pertronix news in reply to RandyR, 06-27-2005 16:32:03  
Be sure and pay attention to the primary circuit resistance. You need about 3.5 ohms of resistance in the primary ckt with 12v, half that on 6 volts. Some coils are marked such that "No external resistor needed". Those will measure about 3.5. Others will measure about 1.7 and will need about 1.7 ohm "ballast" resistor in series to limit the switching current for the electronic points.

If you don't have adequate resistance you will fry your switch (electronic points) and it will stay shorted (like points staying closed all the time) which makes your coil get very hot and obviously it won't fire the plugs.

I know because the other day I was troubleshooting a neighbor's tractor. His had a coil with an internal resistor and hence the tractor didn't have one. I took the coil and trigger mechanism from another tractor and installed it. It lasted about 2 minutes.

Trouble shooting later, I found that I had put in a 1.7 ohm coil and not having an external resistor to make a total of 3.5 ohms, I fried the electronic points.

$100 down the drain trying to help a neighbor. Oh well.

Mark

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
JerryMT

06-29-2005 10:58:53




Report to Moderator
 Re: Pertronix news in reply to txgrn, 06-28-2005 05:17:04  
Pertronix is very specific about making sure that you have 12V to the switching circuit. It's OK to have a ballast reistor in the coil circuit to reduce the coil voltage, but the electronics in the distributor has to be at 12V for proper operation.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
txgrn

06-29-2005 15:35:30




Report to Moderator
 Re: Pertronix news in reply to JerryMT, 06-29-2005 10:58:53  
This is easily accomplished if you have a 3.5 ohm coil (i.e. ballast resistance internal or other means internal to limit current to 12v/3.5 ohms = about 3.5 to 4 amps).

With that rig, you can run the red wire to the + terminal on the coil which is getting 12v via the ignition switch and the black wire goes to the coil - terminal.

Otherwise, if you have a ballast resistor, you have to add some wire to the red lead (insulated connections and wiring) to get on the battery side of the ballast resistor to get the 12v required.

Not getting 12v won't kill it. It just may not run properly. Not having adequate circuit resistance WILL kill it... BTDT.

Mark

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
RandyR

06-28-2005 18:27:16




Report to Moderator
 Re: Pertronix news in reply to txgrn, 06-28-2005 05:17:04  
Mark: Thanks for the heads up. I checked my coil with an ohm meter and it is 3.5 ohms. No external resistor. Good to go. Sure wouldn't want to fry the module!
One question. The Pertronix is supposed to be used with a "point type coil", not an electronic type. How would I tell and what is the difference? Thanks.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
txgrn

06-29-2005 15:29:45




Report to Moderator
 Re: Pertronix news in reply to RandyR, 06-28-2005 18:27:16  
Got me. Dunno the difference. The coil doesn't know how you are going to switch current on and off. Only thing I can think of is that they are using that terminology to indicate the presence or absence of the external resistance.

HTH

Mark



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy