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Leaking controls (Cross Co.) on MF236 loader

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Gunny JC

05-09-2005 17:58:26




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I have a pretty steady drip coming out of my loader control assembly right where the control levers go into the assembly. The dealer told me it was probably due to bad O-rings just behind the exterior mounting brackets. I took them off and I don"t see where any O-rings would go or have ever been. Any ideas? Are these loader control assemblies rebuildable? Where to go for parts? I have a MF255 with a MF236 loader and Cross Co. control assembly. Thanks for any help/advice you may have.

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Big Dean

05-10-2005 11:59:37




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 Re: Leaking controls (Cross Co.) on MF236 loader in reply to Gunny JC, 05-09-2005 17:58:26  
Remove the pin that holds the handle to the spool. Lay the handle down out of the way or I always removed the handle from the valve by removing the pin that holds it to the bracket. Then remove the two screws that hold the bracket to the valve just behind it is a washer behind the washer is an O-ring for the spool it can be replaced then. If it leaks on the back remove the caps on the back of the valve it has the O-ring that is replace the same way. Hope this helps.

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Gerald J.

05-10-2005 11:21:48




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 Re: Leaking controls (Cross Co.) on MF236 loader in reply to Gunny JC, 05-09-2005 17:58:26  
I think there may be an o-ring around the valve spindle, it may be back in the valve block a bit. You may have to push the valve spindle to the rear hard to expose it or maybe pull the valve spindle all the way out. Mine doesn't leak there yet. I have had valves that leaked there and rather than take a chance that the rest of the valve was worn, I replaced the whole valve assembly. Most any loader valve will work, and one with float for the lift would be quite handy. I might make that change on mine some winter.

Gerald J.

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txgrn

05-12-2005 05:39:17




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 Re: Leaking controls (Cross Co.) on MF236 loader in reply to Gerald J., 05-10-2005 11:21:48  
Hi Gerald.

Help me with the float function on a controller. I know of 2 types of controllers:

1. You push the handle in either direction and the piston travels to the limit and the pump keeps pushing, the engine lugs and you manually center it and shut off the fluid.

2. Auto kick out (or whatever you call it). When the pressure builds up from a cylinder bottoming out, it automatically kicks back to neutral to shut off the fluid.

So where does float come in and how does the operation of the control differ from either of the 2 examples? Finally, I assume the implement just follows the contour of the terrain while in the float position. So how do you come out of it?

Thanks,

Mark

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Gerald J.

05-12-2005 11:14:48




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 Re: Leaking controls (Cross Co.) on MF236 loader in reply to txgrn, 05-12-2005 05:39:17  
A float valve has four positions. The first three work like your first example without detent except in the off position. So you pull from neutral to raise the boom, you push to lower the boom and when you release the handle it goes back to neutral where the cylinder is locked in position. The fourth position for float is beyond the down position and has a detent. There the two cylinder lines are connected to the return line so the loader boom can follow the terrain. You don't want to go to float with the boom elevated unless you want to smash something with the bucket (and probably bend the bucket). You want to only go to float with the bucket already on the ground.

Float is good for shoving snow and manure on less than perfectly flat surfaces.

On your first example, if the engine lugs a lot at the ends of the cylinder stroke, you need a pressure relief valve (presuming an open center system) to keep from blowing up the pump or some lines.

Gerald J.

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txgrn

05-10-2005 07:01:43




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 Re: Leaking controls (Cross Co.) on MF236 loader in reply to Gunny JC, 05-09-2005 17:58:26  
Cross has a web site, and TSC is a dealer. Between the 2 you should be successful.

Doubt that this is a spool to housing fit (metal to metal). You are dealing with 2000# pressures on low viscosity oil. Just a thousandth or two would be too much.

Did you check the housing when you pulled the spool out. May have machined it for the O ring rather than the spool.

Mark



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