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mf 65 in law ran out of gas and can't start it

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Sean Nutley

05-09-2005 12:24:23




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I am trying to get a i believe 1960something massey ferguson 65 to start after it was ran out of gas. could anyone tell me how to get a diesel engine to start again?




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acmfmh

05-10-2005 09:48:11




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 Re: mf 65 in law ran out of gas and can't start it in reply to Sean Nutley, 05-09-2005 12:24:23  
Sean,

The system must be bled of all air. I think the diesels had a fuel pump that has a handle. The handle is used to prime the system by hand. Loosen the bleeder bolts and pump the handle until the fuel comes out. Tighten that bolt and move to the next until you reach the injectors. May want to check with the MF dealer for all of the locations of things (ie. fuel pump, bleeder bolts, etc.)

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Gas?

05-09-2005 16:38:16




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 Re: mf 65 in law ran out of gas and can't start it in reply to Sean Nutley, 05-09-2005 12:24:23  
How do you run a diesel out of gas. Or is it just always out of gas?



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Jerry (AL)

05-09-2005 15:29:42




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 Re: mf 65 in law ran out of gas and can't start it in reply to Sean Nutley, 05-09-2005 12:24:23  
I just did the same thanks to a rat that ate the cover off my fuel gauge wire. No gauge and inattention made me have to go through the routine. WON'T DO IT AGAIN.


I bled mine like the fellow below at the two points he indicated and then had to start on the lines at the injector connections. Mine cranked after I bled two lines. I did it once before and it cranked without the lines having to be bled so hope you are lucky. I had a rough time and could only get two of my lines loose. I think they used a gorilla to tighten those. Could have been just such an awkward place to get leaverage.

Good luck.

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buck01

05-09-2005 12:35:05




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 Re: mf 65 in law ran out of gas and can't start it in reply to Sean Nutley, 05-09-2005 12:24:23  
No expert here.

try bleeding the air out of the fuel delivery lines.

loosen the end where the line goes into the engine.

turn the tractor over untill the fuel comes out.

do each line one at a time.

Hope this helps.

Joel



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Roy in UK

05-09-2005 13:39:30




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 Re: mf 65 in law ran out of gas and can't start it in reply to buck01, 05-09-2005 12:35:05  
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It might be a good idea to change the fuel filters while you are at it.(You have to bleed the system anyway when you change filters ) If you have run out of fuel there is a good chance the last bit might have been a bit cruddy! Undo the two tiny bleed screws on the injector pump (marked 3 and 4 on the pic) and then operate the lever on the lift pump until it stops fizzing like soda pop and pure fuel comes out, then re-tighten them. It might at that,start it might not. If not like buck01 says you may have to crack open the fuel lines one by one where they go into the injector ( she just might fire up on 3 cylinders ). The merest whiff of ether might help if she is reluctant to start but don't overdo it.

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Roy in UK

05-09-2005 22:46:12




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 Re: mf 65 in law ran out of gas and can't start it in reply to Roy in UK, 05-09-2005 13:39:30  
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I forgot to mention this (Its been a while since I did one so forgive me!) if you change the filters, it is a good idea to loosen the bleed screw marked 1 and pump the lift pump by hand until you get all the air out of the filters. It saves a lot of air getting around to the injector pump in the first place. When you change the filters use all the new rubber rings supplied in the box, dont be tempted to use the old ones.The new ones will seat better, often the old ones go all stretched and miss-shapen as soon as they see fresh air again. You have tighten the filter up very carefully, don't over do it though,just enough to seat the seals. I have seen may a glass/white metal filter bowl bust due to someone been over zealous with a spanner.

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DavidP, South Wales

05-09-2005 14:44:21




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 Re: mf 65 in law ran out of gas and can't start it in reply to Roy in UK, 05-09-2005 13:39:30  
'Laughing Gas' on a Massey Ferguson? Perish the thought!!!!!

DavidP



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Roy in UK

05-12-2005 14:20:32




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 Re: mf 65 in law ran out of gas and can't start it in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 05-09-2005 14:44:21  
David, funny you should say that.....
Our MF 1100 had an inlet for "laughing gas" just to the left of the steering column So you could sit on the seat, turn the key and squirt a drop in at the same time! BTW we never needed to use it. Heck of a good starter that tractor!



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pbutler

05-10-2005 06:07:50




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 Re: mf 65 in law ran out of gas and can't start it in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 05-09-2005 14:44:21  
I gotta agree. I have a JD 4630 with about 7000 hours, I can't start that sucker below 50 degrees without ether-once it started it runs great.

My little Massey 255 has about the same # of hours. It can be 30 degress and I touch that key and before it can make 2 revolutions it is running.

I have never seen a tractor so easy to start in my entire life.



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Jerry (AL)

05-10-2005 15:49:38




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 Re: mf 65 in law ran out of gas and can't start it in reply to pbutler, 05-10-2005 06:07:50  
I've got a 255 that is the same way. About 2-3 revolutions and she is humming. I've cranked it with ice on the ground and it does the same. When I was a kid, I used to help a fellow feed cattle with an Oliver diesel and that thing wouldn't crank on a cool day without using a can of ether. hardest cranking tractor I ever saw in my life.



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GaryF

05-10-2005 18:59:49




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 Re: mf 65 in law ran out of gas and can't start it in reply to Jerry (AL), 05-10-2005 15:49:38  
Chances are the MF65 is indirect injection (later models had Direct Injection)and unless it has a thermastart system it won't cold start without either or block heater. The MF 255 has a Direct Injected diesel engine and will start easily at below 0 celcius. As to bleeding the injector pump you use the priming lever on the fuel pump. The lower plug should be removed first and when FUEL flows without air plug it and remove the upper plug when fuel flows with out air plug it. Then loosen off 1 injector line at injector and turn engine over. If it isn't a multipower tractor and you can get someone to tow you you shouldn't have to bleed the injector and it will be a lot easier on the battery and starter.
Good Luck

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Roy in UK

05-09-2005 22:29:28




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 Re: mf 65 in law ran out of gas and can't start it in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 05-09-2005 14:44:21  
I did say the merest whiff! been there done that.get someone to get the engine spinning first though. I know you got to be careful with that stuff. But I think at times its better than hanging onto the starter motor for ever, getting it hot, flattening the battery. If you got a multipower tractor you cant even tow start the bugger can you?



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