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MF135 starter won't engage

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pnewsom

03-26-2005 10:12:08




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This morning I tried to start my 1966 MF135. I turned the key and nothing, no click, no nothing. I checked to make sure that the range selector was in neutral, but still no luck.

The battery has enough juice to make the lights nice an bright, so I don"t think that is the problem.

I checked around and gave it another try, and still nothing, but this time I notice a whisp of smoke come up from the wire that is connected what seems to be the starter switch for the range selector. I felt the wire, and it felt a little warm.

Can anybody suggest what would be the likely cause of this, and how I should go about fixing it?

Thanks for any help!

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pnewsom

03-27-2005 11:40:12




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 Re: MF135 starter won't engage in reply to pnewsom, 03-26-2005 10:12:08  
Thanks for the suggestions txblu and acmfmh. I will check along those lines.

I should have mention that this tractor has the three cylinder Perkins diesel.



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txblu

03-27-2005 06:46:01




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 Re: MF135 starter won't engage in reply to pnewsom, 03-26-2005 10:12:08  
If it is in the safety switch circuit 2 things to consider.

1. The safety switch is provided so that YOU, the owner, don't stand adjacent to the tractor and start it in gear.....hence running over yourself and causing you serious pain and maybe DEATH, or injury to a friend or loved one starting the tractor!

2. If the wires are fried, or getting warm even, have to understand why. If the switch is on the high side of the starting solenoid, it runs 12v in and back out to the sole. If the switch has malfunctioned and no longer isolates the 12v from the metal housing of it (hence tractor chassis ground) it could explain the hot wires.

Otherwise, you may have a wire that has had the insulation worn off and it is touching ground or you have a problem elsewhere.

Do this. Feel the wires going to the switch and back out. If only one is hot the problem is the switch. If both are hot the problem is associated with the sole.

For switches that are in the ground circuit, any shorting out would cause your starter to stay energized as long as you have the ign key energized and you would know that immediately. Starter would be a hummin.....not your problem; sole is not clicking and not energizing.

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pnewsom

03-28-2005 07:30:33




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 Re: MF135 starter won't engage in reply to txblu, 03-27-2005 06:46:01  
txblu, only one wire gets hot.

With an ohmeter, I found continuity to ground on both terminals of the switch. I guess that means the switch is bad?

How are those wires attached, do the connectors just slip off?

Thanks



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pnewsom

03-28-2005 09:52:01




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 Re: MF135 starter won't engage in reply to pnewsom, 03-28-2005 07:30:33  
Well, I figured out the connectors, fastened them together, and the tractor started as usual.

I have called the local Massey dealer about getting a switch, and they are going to get back to me.

In the meanwhile, I will be very careful, as always!

Thanks for steering me in the right direction.



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Roy in UK

03-28-2005 13:20:42




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 Re: MF135 starter won't engage in reply to pnewsom, 03-28-2005 09:52:01  
It happened to us once when we were repairing some fencing, we were using the 135 to pull the fencing trailer. I got on, turned the key..... nothing, yes it was the safety switch and yes it was a curious calf that had pulled one of the wires off!



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acmfmh

03-26-2005 15:50:16




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 Re: MF135 starter won't engage in reply to pnewsom, 03-26-2005 10:12:08  
The wired switch in the top of the transaxle is a neutral safety switch. If the wires fried it won't start. You could check this by putting the two ends from the switch together and try starting it. A piece of wire may need to be replaced or the neutral safety switch.

Remember be safe and replace that switch if necessary. Good Luck.



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