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Should I Worry? MF-35 Diesel

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Sodbuster

03-19-2005 17:42:50




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Just finished pulling my MF-35 Diesel back together after replacing the oil pan gasket, front and rear oil seals, new clutch and release bearing. Was very proud of myself "until" I discovered that I left off the three small flywheel nut retaining clips (think that's what you call them, flywheel bolts go thru them and when torqued, you bend the tabs against the nut). Flywheel nuts are torqued according to specs. After I put the starter on, I discovered that I had left them off, stopped right then, found me a pine tree, sat down and muttered words that I swore that I would never say again. Should I leave well enough alone or pull it apart again?

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mercedes

03-21-2005 12:36:31




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 Re: Should I Worry? MF-35 Diesel in reply to Sodbuster, 03-19-2005 17:42:50  
if it makes you feel better pull it apart again you plonker.personaly if its all up and runing leave it alone,did you use any thread lock?,i think you will find the engine rotates the same way you tighten the bolts so they are not likely to come undone



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Jerry/MT

03-20-2005 18:52:39




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 Re: Should I Worry? MF-35 Diesel in reply to Sodbuster, 03-19-2005 17:42:50  
I know this will be no consolation to you, but when I pulled the flywheel of my TO-30, there were no nut retainers, safety wire, holes for safety wire, etc. They were just torqued to spec. They have an offset stud to make sure that you have the timing mark located properly but no mechanical retention devices.



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Sodbuster

03-20-2005 14:02:44




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 Re: Should I Worry? MF-35 Diesel in reply to Sodbuster, 03-19-2005 17:42:50  
Thanks guys for the input. I agree with TXBLU. Odds are they will never come loose however, to satisy my own mind, I will replace them. When I consider how much $$ I have tied up in this venture, better do it right! Guess I'll get out the old "Ben-Gay" and prepare to bust some more knuckles..... .Thanks again..... ....



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txblu

03-20-2005 07:13:34




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 Re: Should I Worry? MF-35 Diesel in reply to Sodbuster, 03-19-2005 17:42:50  
The last flywheel I looked at had locating pins so all the bolts were doing was holding the flywheel to the crank. The pins took the twisting torque.

The bolt torqueing process puts the bolt in tension which keeps it seated.

Your head bolts are torqued accordingly and have no other locking mechanism as are most of the bolts in your tractor that bolts non vibrating items together.

Your flywheel is a thick, heavy, mass designed to smooth out vibrations of the rotary motion components. Hence it's solid and it's not going to "rattle" loose, nor do any jerking around to speak of.

Just last week took a '49 Ford 2n apart to reverse the starting ring and it had bolts with holes in them for safety wire..... ..no safety wire; bolts were all secure. Don't use bolts with holes anymore as I recall..... .unnecessary. No tellin if it ever had safety wire and it only lasted 56 years and is still purrin.

IF a bolt should fall out where is it going to go? It will clang around inside the clutch which you could probably hear and jam up the clutch (worst case) so you couldn't disconnect the engine from the transmission. If that happens you will have to break it down anyway.

Safety issue? Just turn the engine off it'll stop.

Now the bolts holding your exhaust manifold on do have clips but the exhaust manifold goes thru a hugh temp gradiant which COULD work to loosen the mounting bolts..... your flywheel to crank interface does not.

Your call.

Lotta work and worryin for nuttin if you ask me.

My 2c

Mark

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sibby{AUS]

03-20-2005 03:31:50




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 Re: Should I Worry? MF-35 Diesel in reply to Sodbuster, 03-19-2005 17:42:50  
Oldfarmboy Jim, I have used the lock tabs for nearly 40 years with not one comeback, i do agree that loctite is a good product, but the locktabs are very cheap and reliable insurance. Cheerio Cobbers fer now.



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Oldfarmboy Jim

03-20-2005 01:50:42




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 Re: Should I Worry? MF-35 Diesel in reply to Sodbuster, 03-19-2005 17:42:50  
Don't worry, be happy! Worry only gives you wrinkles and ulcers, anyway. No one ever stopped anything bad from happening by worrying about it.
By the way, did you put Loc-tite on the bolts when you installed them? Usually a good thing to do when assembling an engine, installing a clutch, etc. If these are the same type of clips as used on the cap bolts for the connecting rods, they're about useless anyway. My Massey dealer told me they don't even bother putting them back on the rod caps when re-assembling they're so useless. They use the heavy duty Loc-tite and torque them to specs. He said he's never had one come back on him and he's been in the business over 40 years. But. . . . ., if you can't sleep at night, better go back and put them on. Lack of sleep also causes wrinkles and ulcers. Good luck, Jim

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C. T. in Oklahoma

03-19-2005 18:44:00




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 Re: Should I Worry? MF-35 Diesel in reply to Sodbuster, 03-19-2005 17:42:50  
Sodbuster, If they are what I think they are, they keep the nuts from coming loose and wreaking havoc inside your engine. After a little effort kicking myself, I would have to correct the problem. C. T.



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sibby(Aus)

03-19-2005 18:36:48




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 Re: Should I Worry? MF-35 Diesel in reply to Sodbuster, 03-19-2005 17:42:50  
Sodbuster, they,re there in the first place for a reason, if it was mine i would fit them. cheers an goodluck.



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DavidP,South Wales

03-20-2005 12:11:10




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 Re: Should I Worry? MF-35 Diesel in reply to sibby(Aus), 03-19-2005 18:36:48  
Hi, from Wales,
Everyone is of a similar opinion that they are there for a reason. What torque figure did you give them. The figure for 1/2" flywheel bolts is 80lb/ft. Is this your figure? To my knowledge the only ones that you can leave the tabs off on are the mains but you have to give them an extra 5 lb/ft as new tabs are NLA.
So, if you want to sleep at night and relax when driving the tractor a couple of hours will be well spent. You'll probably be surprised how quickly you can do it. Don't forget to tighten the 6 clutch bolts to 19 lb/ft.
Put it down to experience.
Cheers
David P

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