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jim j w

02-23-2005 06:30:12




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Got a MH 44, replaced all the wiring, If it has to crank for any period of time the switch or button gets real hot. I have replaced it thinking it had a short in it but the problem continued. What else could it be?? jjw




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Bruce Colbourne

02-27-2005 09:04:20




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 Re: starter switch gets hot in reply to jim j w, 02-23-2005 06:30:12  
Have you taken your starter and checked the bushings.If the bushings are worn enough the starter will drag and cause a heating problem in the complete circuit.If it has been changed to twelve volts drop me a e-mail and I can tell you what to check for proper conversion.We changed our masseys to twelve volts and it is very easy.



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txblu

02-24-2005 07:37:59




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 Re: starter switch gets hot in reply to jim j w, 02-23-2005 06:30:12  
Read all the threads. We are missing something here.

4 amperes is not much for a spst switch to conduct if it is in proper operating condition; especially if it is a new OEM switch.

Would speculate that the switch is rated for at least 15 amperes and the contact drop at that current would be in the millivolts resulting in little if any heating.

I realize that if the starter loop high current is low, due to excessive resistance (terminals or small wiring), you will be on the start button longer than necessary, but to get hot? Never saw one do that.

Wish I were there as you got my curiosity up.

Mark

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phil(va)

02-24-2005 06:35:09




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 Re: starter switch gets hot in reply to jim j w, 02-23-2005 06:30:12  
As others said, tight and clean cables and cables the correct size are essential. My experience also is the ground cable connection is often the source of this problem. Make sure the ground is truly going to a good ground and is a good connection. Sometimes a ground to the dash (or sheet metal) isn't good enough and you have to go to the engine (cast portion of the tractor) to get a truly good ground.

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Jerry/MT

02-23-2005 19:35:21




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 Re: starter switch gets hot in reply to jim j w, 02-23-2005 06:30:12  
Check all your terminals in the starter circuit to make sure they are clean, bright and tight!



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Alberta Mike

02-23-2005 09:23:53




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 Re: starter switch gets hot in reply to jim j w, 02-23-2005 06:30:12  
If you are still running 6 volts, then make sure you're battery cables are #1 or better yet # 0 gauge. The regular sized type from auto houses are too thin. I think (not sure) that this might be at least part of the problem.



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Frank Y

02-23-2005 09:11:56




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 Re: starter switch gets hot in reply to jim j w, 02-23-2005 06:30:12  
I also just picked up an all original 44 and I burned my hand on the starter switch. I went to start it but the guy had the gas off and I was cranking for 30 seconds before he realized that the gas was off. The wiring is all original. Prob just because of the resistance from the starter having a hard time turning the motor over.
Frank Y



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jim j w

02-23-2005 09:55:24




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 Re: starter switch gets hot in reply to Frank Y, 02-23-2005 09:11:56  
The 44 has a one wire alt. So it has a 12 volt battery also. But I don't know if the coil has a resistor built in or not. From other ?'s I've asked I don't think they ever say on them. Perhaps a in-line resistor is the way to go. "I HATE ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS". thanks jjw



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txblu

02-24-2005 07:31:29




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 Re: starter switch gets hot in reply to jim j w, 02-23-2005 09:55:24  
The starter switch pushbutton current has nothing to do with the ignition circuit.

That power comes from the key on-off switch. The output of that switch goes 2 places; ignition cke and starter pushbutton.

The only place the starter button current is SUPPOSED TO GO is to the starting solenoid primary circuit and it shouldn't take more than a couple of amperes to do that job on a 12v solenoid, 4 amps on a 6v ckt.

FYI: In the distributor circuit, you are looking for about 4 to 5 amperes thru the points. That works out to about 1.4 ohms (total) for a 6v circuit and twice that for a 12v. Easily measured from the distributor wire terminal (little black one coming out the side of the dist and connecting to the coil) to the ignition switch contact that is cold when the ign switch is off (otherside goes to the battery probably coming from a small wire to the large battery side terminal of the solenoid). Nothing magic about getting power there. It's just a convenient spot to tap into the batteries voltage and has nothing to do with the functioning of the start circuit....as long as you get voltage to your start push button via the ignition switch.

Want more, ask.

Mark

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Frank Y

02-23-2005 10:10:14




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 Re: starter switch gets hot in reply to jim j w, 02-23-2005 09:55:24  
Mine is a Massey Harris 44gr and it is 6 volt system with a new 6 volt battery in it, with 2 wires coming off the generator.
Frank Y



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txblu

02-23-2005 08:16:45




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 Re: starter switch gets hot in reply to jim j w, 02-23-2005 06:30:12  
Heat means resistance x current flow (square of the current value x resistance = watts dissipated).

So you have too much of one or the other. Either the wrong switch (contacts too small), or too much current, like maybe a 6v starting solenoid on a 12v system.

Mark



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