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Opinions on 3000 series?

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clanger

01-01-2005 16:50:14




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Hi guys.
I`m new to this forum and hope you can help.
I`m thinking about getting a 3065 or 3070 to use as a very extravagant finishing mower tractor. I know I don`t need all the bells and whistles they offer, but I really want
one having had a drive of one a few days ago!
Anybody got any opinions on their strengths/weeknesses? Suggestions on how I should justify it to myself would also be appreciated!
I`m on a def bidget, so I`m going to be looking for a tractor with about 7000 hours and is a bit rough looking (gives me a chance to refurb it),but mechanically sound.

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Toolbox

01-02-2005 12:06:50




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 Re: Opinions on 3000 series? in reply to clanger, 01-01-2005 16:50:14  
Just a few points for you to check that may save you pounds!

1. Starting at the front, if buying a 4wd check the wear in the front axel bushes as they tend to wear badly and if not replaced will let the axel tip, putting weight on the front axel pinion shaft which in turn wears away the splines on the pinion shaft which means a new crown wheel and pinion.
2. Gearbox, if possible avoid the 32 speed box with A B gear ranges, these in the past have caused many a problem and when new were subject to many changes by MF who ended up deleting this option all together.
Check all the gears one by one and listen for grating and noises from the transmission in general. It may be that the transmission has been repaired in the past 7000 hrs, if not be aware that it is a very costly part of the tractor to repair if it is needed.
3. Check the hand brake, make sure it works, the hand brake is mounted on the pinion shaft in the rear axel, and if the tractor has been driven with it on it wont be any good.
4. Make sure all the electronic operated systems 4wd, diff-lock, PTO, speed shift and the ELC operate correctly. The wiring dose suffer from connectors corroding and causing problems

On the whole a very nice tractor to drive and one of the first tractor ranges with electronics on the market.
One with a good service history would be an advantage and you may be hard fetched to find one with out wireworm in the doors and roof.

Hope this is of some help.

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clanger

01-04-2005 01:17:51




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 Re: Opinions on 3000 series? in reply to Toolbox, 01-02-2005 12:06:50  
Hi Toolbox, thanks for the input.

Couple of quick questions:
The tractor I drove had electronic speedshift on all gears, is this different from the A-B 32 speed gearbox?

Is there an easy way to check the front axle for worn bushes/damaged pinion shaft?

Shame about the tinworm!

Many thanks



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Toolbox

01-04-2005 11:41:13




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 Re: Opinions on 3000 series? in reply to clanger, 01-04-2005 01:17:51  
clanger,
Both the 16 speed and the 32 speed gearbox have the speed shift. This actually gives the 16 speed 32 gears and the 32 speed AB gearbox 64 gears, but Massey only quote the gearbox speeds and not the on the move splitter.The AB option was another gear range on the forwards and reverse lever, by moving the lever in to nutral and across the gate in a H pattern you had fwd. & rev. in A and fwd. & rev. in B,

The only real way of telling the wear on the front axel is to jack up and lower the front of the tractor, but not under the axel and watch to see if you can see any movement particularly noticeable at the rear of the axel, if a lot is present and believe me you will see movement if there is wear then I would defiantly check the pinion shaft more closely

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clanger

01-04-2005 16:37:29




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 Re: Opinions on 3000 series? in reply to Toolbox, 01-04-2005 11:41:13  
Thanks Toolbox, you`re a big help. I`ve heard that the front axle bushes really only go
when a loader has been used a lot.

I`ve seen a 3080 for sale that seems good aprt from a noisey gearbox
when in high range. Is it difficult to swop boxes if I could get a replacement ,
or is rebuilding the better option?

Sorry for all the questions!



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Toolbox

01-04-2005 23:11:09




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 Re: Opinions on 3000 series? in reply to clanger, 01-04-2005 16:37:29  
From past experience I wouldn�t rely on the axel bushes being gone on loader tractors alone, if they haven�t seen a regular greasing then the same applies to all, so worth checking out.
If the gearbox needs attention it depends on really what is wrong with it as far as a replacement goes, but I can assure you that you wont get many parts for �2000 that�s in the UK as one complete syncro unit alone costs in excess of �500 and to completely over haul a unit properly would cost more than an exchange heavy duty gearbox from MF in the UK that is, you may be lucky to find a second hand unit to replace it but its finding a good one. Is the tractor 40k as this seemed to increase gearbox wear as the box ran faster and it was only a matter of turning the star gears in the speed shift around to change from 30k to 40k. Not a bad job to remove the gearbox, but its no 135, and if you intend to rebuild it yourself there is a lot of end floats / preloads on bearings and shafts to get right, which is worth the effort in the long run.
Run the tractor up the road and make sure its not the rear diff that is noisy check the noise on the over run.
But all said and done I know of many 3000 with noisy gearboxes and they seem to go on and on regardless and the job you have in mind will not over stretch a 3080 for sure, but there is always a chance that the day will come when they give up. If you buy the tractor for a good price and you do get a problem you should have money left in the pot for any problems that may occur.

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Clanger

01-05-2005 02:09:46




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 Re: Opinions on 3000 series? in reply to Toolbox, 01-04-2005 23:11:09  
More great info, thanks Toolbox. So I'm guessing you're in the UK, which is handy 'cos I am as well (near Chester).
In an ideal world I'd find a cheap 3065 which looked a bit rough which I could repaint, fettle inside and fit turf tyres. As I mentioned before my hours are really low and, seeing as my IH can do everything I currently need, the 30xx is more likely to be a big boys toy! The 3080 I have seen has reasonable hours (6000) and seems pretty cheap at �3900 but does have the noisy transmission. I don't mind rebuilding engines, but transmissions sound scarey/expensive. As you said though, if it's just noisy and it still works OK, because of the low hours I do it wouldn't bother me.

You're opinions are really appreciated.

If you want to email me direct I'm on ted at 'removethisbit'targetmedia dot net

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