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Switch from Gen to Alt? What about Tractormeter?

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Tom G (OK)

12-30-2004 05:03:43




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I had the generator in my 2135 rebuilt, and it still doesn't keep the battery charged. I don't have any lights, cigarette lighter, CD player, etc on it, but would like to, but what's the point if I can't keep the battery charged just running the tractor?
I suppose I could switch to an alternator, but how big a project would that be? What alternator should I choose, and how do I hook up the tractormeter if the cable comes off the back of the generator?
Hope you all had a great Christmas.
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Tom G (OK)

12-31-2004 15:37:02




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 Re: Switch from Gen to Alt? What about Tractormet in reply to Tom G (OK), 12-30-2004 05:03:43  
OK.

I put the ohmmeter across the ammeter and it had continuity, so I pulled out the faulty new voltmeter and installed the old ammeter according to the wiring diagram and ..... . IT WORKED! Now, when I'm starting the tractor, the ammeter needle moves to the left, and when I'm running it, it moves to the right. COOL!

So I guess it was the regulator all along. Maybe now I can put in lights, a cigarette lighter, a ten disk CD changer and maybe even a wide screen TV (It should fit perfectly on the bucket)!

Thanks, Gerald, Dean, and NEsota! and Happy New Year!

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Gerald J.

12-31-2004 19:04:06




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 Re: Switch from Gen to Alt? What about Tractormet in reply to Tom G (OK), 12-31-2004 15:37:02  
You are beginning to get there. Now that you have the ammeter working right (and I have NO use at all for a voltmeter, they tell you nothing about the charging in my opinion) you need to be sure its not overcharging.

The key is that the battery charging current tapers off to zero in a reasonable time. Probably 15 or 20 minutes at the limit without a bunch of accessories. That's after a good start, not a tough start.

You don't have enough generator to run aircraft landing lights and charge the battery. You get only 20 or 30 amps at the most and the ignition and flashing light will take 6 or 8 of those.

You need a more precise voltmeter. Your multimeter showing 11 volts on a good working system like your car is off at least a volt.

Ideally the generator should charge the battery up to 14.2 volts (at 70 degrees F, a little higher for colder temperatures) when the charging current has tapered to zero. If it does reach that voltage without going over, you will have most of the charge the battery will take and you won't damage the battery from dissociating the water into hydrogen and oxygen so the battery will last the longest.

Gerald J.

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Tom G (OK)

01-01-2005 08:27:19




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 Re: Switch from Gen to Alt? What about Tractormet in reply to Gerald J., 12-31-2004 19:04:06  
Thanks, Gerald,

So, Should I check the voltage at the battery to see if it's at 14.2 volts? Should the engine be off or on?

And (since my favorite passtime is buying tools) can you recommend a good multimeter? What kind of options should I look for? Digital? Analog? I always thought those little clampy things for measuring amps were cool. Or is mine fixable?

Thanks,

Tom



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Tom G (OK)

12-31-2004 11:47:11




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 Re: Switch from Gen to Alt? What about Tractormet in reply to Tom G (OK), 12-30-2004 05:03:43  
Waal, I replaced the regulator ($28.50)(after removing it and the generator to make sure the Generator was still good (turns out there's no practical method for checking the regulator for a generator since they're so rare))
Now, I guess I need to replace the volt-meter, since it's kaput.
I'm not exactly positive I have it (volt-meter) hooked up right. I have it hooked from the coil wire positive sideto ground. Is this right? Is there some way I can check my old ammeter to see if IT works?

I checked a few spots with my multi-meter (I have just enough tools to get myself into trouble) and they all appear to be reading about 11 volts. the spots I checked are the battery, across the volt-meter terminals. I even checked my own car battery (engine off) and IT read 11 volts. Is there any place else I can check?

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Gerald J.

12-30-2004 16:44:13




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 Re: Switch from Gen to Alt? What about Tractormet in reply to Tom G (OK), 12-30-2004 05:03:43  
When I got my MF-135 about 1987, it had a new regulator but didn't charge well. I tweaked the regulator and its been doing fine ever since. Starts in the spring without a charger, and charges just fine. Batteries last 5 or 6 years.. There was a time it started poorly but that was worn out brushes in the starter itself.

The most practical solution for the tachometer, I think if going to an alternator (you probably need one with a wide pulley which can be bought separately), is to go to an electronic tachometer.

Gerald J.

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Big Dean

12-30-2004 13:09:02




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 Re: Switch from Gen to Alt? What about Tractormet in reply to Tom G (OK), 12-30-2004 05:03:43  
Hi Tom If your generator is good & the battery will not stayed charged then you either are not running the engine fast enough for the generator to charge, have a bad regulator, wired wrong or the battery is bad. The generator should keep the battery charged easily with nothing drawing from it but the engine. Even if the generator is not charging the battery at all the battery should stay charge for a few days. You can use an alternator from a late MF100 series tractor with a Continental and an alternator you still need an external regulator with it but it has the Tach drive on it. If I can be of further help Email me

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NEsota

12-30-2004 09:39:26




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 Re: Switch from Gen to Alt? What about Tractormet in reply to Tom G (OK), 12-30-2004 05:03:43  
My hunch is that your generator is good. The problem may be the regulator or another component. Correcting that could well be a better solution than using an alternator.



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