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327 chevy combine engine

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Figaro

12-23-2004 20:16:03




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I am looking at a 64 chevy impala ss that the owner told me he put a 327 chevy engine out of a 196? Massey combine. He said he deliberately sought it out because he new they had 4 bolt mains.
My question is: What differences might this engine have that would be different from an engine that would have come in this car from the factory.
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Randy




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Eric Rylander

12-24-2004 14:03:14




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 Re: 327 chevy combine engine in reply to Figaro, 12-23-2004 20:16:03  
When you are looking to purchase something like an Impala "SS" be sure you check all the resources you can. I know someone who paid big bucks for a "442" Olds Cutlass convertible. After they got it home, they checked with an Olds book and guess what, it's a Cutlass, but it ain't no 442! Makes a BIG difference in what it's worth now and in the future. Someone "cloned" it, and passed it off as genuine.

I have a friend who bought a 1968 Camaro "SS" clone (he knew it was a clone, as advertised) off a musclecar dealer in Kentucky over the internet. It had "327" badges on the fenders- well my buddy got the car delivered by a transporter, and called me up all excited. I had him read me the casting number off the passenger's side rear of the block, I then looked it up at the local machine shop- guess what? 283!! He called up the place he bought the car, and the response he got was "We're just the broker- the car was cosigned to us" So ALWAYS check the casting number- ignore all the BS!

Next:Four bolt mains are over rated. Unless you are building 500 horsepower and pushing 11:1 compression ratio, two bolts are fine, and more plentiful. Many engine builders use a two-bolt main block and modify it with aftermarket splayed main caps, so it becomes four bolts but stronger than the factory set up.

Unless you are building for a restoration, 350 cubes will make more power than 327 given the same compression ratio, cam, valve sizes etc.

Now you may hear that the 1966 Corvettte had a 350 horse 327 from the factory- keep in mind that back in those days horsepower was measured gross at the flywheel, on a dyno, with no accessories on the engine, usually with dyno headers, high octane fuel, ideal ambient air conditons.

The other myth I always here is guys saying they have a "Vette motor" or "It came out of a police car" when they talk about the engine they have. When you get down to it and check the casting number and such you find it's the same basic engine that went into a 3/4 ton van, maybe with a different cam, but that's all. People think that the word "Corvette" and "4 bolt mains" adds 100 horsepower automatically.

The bottom line is ask questions and don't let yourself be fooled!

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brian l

12-24-2004 07:07:58




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 Re: 327 chevy combine engine in reply to Figaro, 12-23-2004 20:16:03  

The combine engines were a high nickel block with a steel crank and very desireable for being built up for the muscle cars.



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Illinois Steve

12-24-2004 03:45:19




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 Re: 327 chevy combine engine in reply to Figaro, 12-23-2004 20:16:03  
In high performance engines with 4 bolt mains the chances of spinning a main bearing were less than the 2 bolt mains



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AllanC

12-23-2004 21:11:20




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 Re: 327 chevy combine engine in reply to Figaro, 12-23-2004 20:16:03  
This may be Idle rumor, but I was told the industrials had a steel crank.



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morgan heaton

12-24-2004 08:30:15




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 Re: 327 chevy combine engine in reply to AllanC, 12-23-2004 21:11:20  
Hi, from what I have found out about chevy engines (other hobbies, can you have too many?) the 4 bolt blocks didnt come around untill the 350 cid era, They made most small block engines from 67 and before called small journal cranks, most were steel cranks, 327 engine were almost all steel cranks. some 283's had cast cranks. in 68 they came out with the large journal cranks, also most engine had cast iron cranks at this time, also on trucks and hi-performance options they made 4 bolt main caps, this was not nessecery on the small journal cranks. they made 327 all the way to 69 but the most of these were detuned engines compared to the 62to 67 engines. The industral/truck engines were fitted with special heads, stellite valves for rough service. most were painted battle ship grey also. The truck and industral engines are some of the better engines to get, the heads dont flow as good , and the pistons were low compression,sence most farmers didn't want to run eythel in there combines. Sounds like you have a good building block for a street engine.

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