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mf 50 diesel hard to start

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hank n' tx

11-15-2004 17:59:57




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my mf 50 is getting hard to start especially since it has cooled off. i bought a new bateery with 900 cranking amps and i could not get it started today. it has been sitting for about 3 weeks. the temp has only been in the 40's and 50's. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thanks hank. ps dont know much about diesel engines.




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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

11-17-2004 03:58:38




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 Re: mf 50 diesel hard to start in reply to hank n' tx, 11-15-2004 17:59:57  
This is as one newbie to another. Please don't consider this an insult to your intelligence if you 1. have the key positions labelled on your dash (mine didn't) 2. have a manual (I didn't).

It never occurred to me to turn the starter key to the LEFT halfway and hold it 15 seconds before turning it MORE TO THE LEFT to start the engine.

Who turns an ignition key to the left???

When Mark told me about the pre-ignitor I went looking for it, and lo and behold, there it was.

You might want to make sure your machine doesn't have this feature before redoing your injectors (grin).

I hope this helps,

Rod

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txblu

11-18-2004 06:15:54




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 Re: mf 50 diesel hard to start in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 11-17-2004 03:58:38  
Thanks Rod. Sometimes life is sweet isn't it.

Mark



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Michael Soldan

11-16-2004 17:43:26




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 Re: mf 50 diesel hard to start in reply to hank n' tx, 11-15-2004 17:59:57  
Hank n Tx, I have a B250 diesel that I bought a few years ago. It had sat for 8 years in a shed and we had a heck of a time starting it. After draining the tank and refilling, changing filters etc, I still had a heck of a time starting it. The injectors were most likely the problem, slobbering instead of spraying fuel into the chamber. I used a fuel injector cleaner/conditioner for diesels and after several tanks full the tractor began to perform better and start easier. Its been three years and I still add this conditioner to the fuel periodically, the tractor starts easily in warm weather and easily in cold provided I use the glow plugs for about 30 to 40 seconds...from a tractor you could only start with ether on a warm day to a tractor that starts at-10C with glow plugs. I have started it at-27C with a block heater on for an hour or so before trying it. My point is that your injectors may need a good cleaning and this will enhance starting. A friend of mine who was an AC dealer for over 50 years says to put a liter(quart) of automatic transmission fluid in the fuel, it will lube the pump and remove moisture in the system. There are lots of diesel fuel system conditioners, I buy one at my local Canadian Tire store that is called "3in 1 Diesel Conditioner"...it cleans the injector tips, lubes the pump and removes moisture.Txblu has some good points, but I would start with some simple stuff like making sure the injectors are clean. If you can get it turning over and smoking give it a whiff of ether and it is likely to start..best of luck with the tractor, they are nice little units, a neighbour of mine has one....Mike in Exeter Ontario

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txblu

11-16-2004 09:48:35




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 Re: mf 50 diesel hard to start in reply to hank n' tx, 11-15-2004 17:59:57  
Have to get used to the cold weather effects. Diesels rely on compression temp to explode the diesel fuel mist. When that doesn't happen because everything is cold, you have to improvise.

Different mfgrs supplied different types of things to assist. My MF35 uses a hootus called thermostart. It is a coil of wire located in the intake manifold and has a diesel fuel line attached to the rear. The game plan is for the operator to put the key switch in the thermostart positon and hold if for a period of time (depending on the temp outside). While holding the switch, the heater in the thing gets red hot and opens a valve that lets diesel drip on the hot wire. It catches fire.....literally. Then if your guessing is correct, you twist your key switch a little moore (CCW on MF) and the starter turns (thermostart is still on ) and the engine sucks these "great balls of fire" (Jerry Lee Lewis) into the combustion chamber where they provide the needed heat to make the mist go boom.

Other things are starting fluid (ether) down the air inlet, and block, radiator hose heaters that you plug into the household AC outlet.

If your engine is worn and subsequently has low compression, or your starting system is not up to par (battery, wiring, and clean-tight-bright terminals,)you will also have a harder than normal time starting your engine.

Mark

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