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Fuel sender MF35 vs MF 135

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txblu

09-30-2004 09:33:02




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Went to Walt's tractor parts. Has a 135 sender and said it won't fit a 35.

Anyone know why?

Thanks,

Mark




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Larry from NY

10-02-2004 18:01:02




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 Re Fuel Sender for MF35 in reply to txblu, 09-30-2004 09:33:02  
Hey Mark.
I bought a sender at an Advance Auto parts. They are an (almost) generic part. It was described as a "five hole sending unit". ( I think it has five holes, maybe six, but the part fit. It was adjustable for the depth of the tank. As I recall, they had to call the 'old guy' to the counter since nobody can look for a part without knowing everything about your car.
Anyway, before electronics and elctric fuel pumps these things were common in cars.
A good auto parts guys can easily get one for you. Good Luck!

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txblu update

10-07-2004 07:27:41




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 Re: Re Fuel Sender for MF35 in reply to Larry from NY, 10-02-2004 18:01:02  
Had to go to NAPA. Brought it home and started modifying it to fit tank.

Problem with tank is that it is only 5" deep where the sending unit mounts. That means a very short wire to the float. Must be why they recommend OEM instead of aftermarket.

Won't believe this but I got everything adjusted to work up and down in 5" on the bench and installed the unit. Tank was half full, but gauge read E.

Investigation revealed that, due to the short distance from the resistance element to the float, the float didn't have enough ballast to float the interconnecting parts. You know, the old foot/lbs things. No feet (short rod) so need lots of lbs of lift.

Oh well, this afternoon I may take the float off the old one and see if I can get rid of some metal on the arm and reduce the weight so that it'll float. Otherwise it works fine by hand..... just gotta get the float to float.

Also, the hole to insert it is not that large so I can't add another float to get double the lift.

Mark

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txblu

10-03-2004 08:16:28




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 Re: Re Fuel Sender for MF35 in reply to Larry from NY, 10-02-2004 18:01:02  
Monday or Tuesday the one from Walt's should be here as I ordered it anyway. Figured I could "engineer" it to work.

If not it's as you say...off to NAPA for a generic.

Thanks,

Mark



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Gerald J.

10-01-2004 08:12:39




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 Re: Fuel sender MF35 vs MF 135 in reply to txblu, 09-30-2004 09:33:02  
Might have a different flange. Might have a different resistance change. Very likely the two tractors have different depths of tank. One might be designed for the end of the tank and the other for the top. In my '68 MF-135 the gauge is on top but the float goes down into the trough on the right side of the tank.

Some gauge systems increase the sender resistance when the tank's level goes down, some increase the sender resistance when the tank's level goes up. GM versus Ford. Then within the direction type they use different resistance ranges. You might have to buy a MF-135 gauge to go with the MF-135 sender.

You can test the gauge and sender combination with the sender loose, just connect the gauge wire to the terminal on the sender and hook a wire from the flange to the tractor chassis. Then watch the gauge as you move the float wire about.

I had troubles with an old sender, but after I took it out of the tank, cleaned up the surface of the resistor and added a tiny bit more tension to the wiper its been working ever since. In my MF-135 I replaced the leaking brass float with a cork coated with SealAll and its been working nicely ever since.

When there is a soft gasket between the sender flange and the tank, over time that will give under the pressure of the screws and you can loose the ground connection to the sender. Sometimes a sender goes back to work with nothing more than tightening the mounting screws. I'd prefer there was a separate ground wire though.

Gerald J.

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txblu

10-01-2004 10:36:27




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 Re: Fuel sender MF35 vs MF 135 in reply to Gerald J., 10-01-2004 08:12:39  
The contact arm of the old sender wore out and I was unable to bend it sufficiently to make contact the full distance from E to F.

I hope the only problem is depth. I can fix that easily. Resistance is known (30 to 240) and the larger number is empty.

After installing a new gauge, the old one worked from half to full but below half it was kaput.

Thanks,

Mark



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Thomas

09-30-2004 10:19:55




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 Re: Fuel sender MF35 vs MF 135 in reply to txblu, 09-30-2004 09:33:02  
Because the 35 didn't have a fuel gauge (well not in the UK anyway, and not anywhere else as far as I know).



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txblu

10-01-2004 06:20:19




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 Re: Fuel sender MF35 vs MF 135 in reply to Thomas, 09-30-2004 10:19:55  
Mine is made in Detroit and has one. Have already ordered it (from Walt's) deciding I was going to make it work.

Thanks,

Mark



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