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Peter in Va

09-04-2004 18:20:02




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I have a question about the power steering on a 1990 240. It has two hydraluic cylinders, one at each front wheel arm. With the tractor stopped and engine running I can turn the steering wheel at least 1/4 revolution (sometimes almost 1/2)) before the wheels move. I can hear the pump working but nothing happens. When tractor is moving, I can feel lots of play and have to work to keep the tractor from wandering. Also, the steering wheel is hard to turn. Could this be more than low fluid or air in system?

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John McPherson

09-05-2004 10:40:13




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 Re: power steering question in reply to Peter in Va, 09-04-2004 18:20:02  
Yes and no- possibly.

First check to see if you can force any more fluid into the unit and that all rotating points are greased- if you already did this and still have the tight steering, mechanically isolate the steering gear, remove the links to both sides so steering wheel can move freely without moving anything of the steering other than the pitman arm. This should turn easily from stop to stop without even the engine running.

If there is binding, check the actual steering gears for wear, incorrect assembly, bad bearing etc.

If it does turn freely, start the engine and run it and see if it still moves easily. If it does, look to see what the assist cylinders are doing. If they do not move from the position they were in when removed, check for a mechanical bind on each side of the front end.

If there is no mechanical bind, attach one side test, then remove that side and test the other side.

If each side tests okay, and everything else tested okay- the pump is probably the source of the trouble, either wear, dirt, kinked or damaged pressure or return line.

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Peter in Va

09-06-2004 06:42:45




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 Re: power steering question in reply to John McPherson, 09-05-2004 10:40:13  
John,
thanks for the advice. I'll be able to check most of those things soon. Although I mentioned hard steering, my bigger worry is the excessive play in the system. I can turn the steering wheel one quarter to one half turn before it moves the steering linkage. Are there pump problems that might cause this?



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John McPherson

09-06-2004 08:15:09




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 Re: power steering question in reply to Peter in Va, 09-06-2004 06:42:45  
No, the play is a strictly mechanical issue. You should have some adjustment to bring the gears closer into mesh unless something in the box itself is broken, warped, severly worn, etc. It also would not hurt to check the entire connection from steering wheel to steering box for damage, or wear, and not necessarily to the steering mechanism, but to something in close proximity, such as wiring, or hoses as a preventative measure because you are there.

Once the box is mechanically isolated from the rest of the steering you should be able to feel if there is a problem, or even hear if there is a problem without the engine running. If the steering wheel itself does not spin smoothly from stop to stop, something is bent or broken, or a bearing is damaged, worn, or gone.

If the box itself is binding, and it could very well be localized there, the problems are internal to that, and also potentially explain the excessive play.

Isolating the steering box in and of itself is time consuming, but so is doing a repair that is not necessary, or at least not immediately so.

At that point it becomes a repair and replace.

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Peter in Va

09-07-2004 18:43:51




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 Re: power steering question in reply to John McPherson, 09-06-2004 08:15:09  
John,
thanks for your thorough explanation. I'll see what I can find.



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