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William Bos

08-29-2004 17:41:46




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Hi,

We will soon begin a rebuild of a Perkins A3.152. Once the engine is built, it will be sitting waiting for us to remove the Standard 23c from our MF 35, 9 we are still using the tractor , so one will come out and the other will go in....) before it finds its new home, and before we start it. My question is what kind of good quality assembly lube should we use when we put it together?

I have heard too many horror stories of people using the wrong kind, and using way too much, and as a result plugged an oil pump , or severly starved the bottom end on that important first time start up?

Thanks in advance

Take care

Will

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janne

09-01-2004 10:58:55




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 Re: Assembly Lube in reply to William Bos, 08-29-2004 17:41:46  
Personally i think it"s a good idea to crank a new engine for a while without injectors/sparkplugs, just to get oil to the bearings before actually starting it up.



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txblu

09-01-2004 11:47:37




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 Re: Assembly Lube in reply to janne, 09-01-2004 10:58:55  
Well, that's what I usually do, using the rocker arms as the test criteria. Like to see the oil pressure gauge kick in pretty early, but if I see the the rockers ah oilin, I know at least the camshaft is gettin it, and oil press pretty well insures the crank is getting wet.

On auto engines I stick a flat blade down the distributor hole and just run the oil pump with a drill motor; don't have to crank the engine. Forgot what I do on tractors including diesel which I overhauled last winter. Think I did as mentioned; leave injectors out and valve cover off and crank till you see oil a squirtin.

This is good advice as you know the oil pump is primed properly and operating before any bearings get put under load.

Mark

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Tim in NB

08-30-2004 17:48:06




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 Re: Assembly Lube in reply to William Bos, 08-29-2004 17:41:46  
I use Clevite"s Bearing Guard assembly lubricant. Here is what the back of the bottle states: " Clevite 77 Bearing Guard is specially formulated with an extreme pressure rating to provide proper lubrication for internal engine components during assembly and the first crucial moments of operation after engine start up"



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Thomas

08-30-2004 11:04:32




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 Re: Assembly Lube in reply to William Bos, 08-29-2004 17:41:46  
You can use vaseline (petrolium jelly) or cooking fat, these disolve in oil. Grease does not and can block oilways. This was what I was taught for assembling powershift transmissions so I assume it holds true for engines.



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txblu

08-30-2004 06:49:40




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 Re: Assembly Lube in reply to William Bos, 08-29-2004 17:41:46  
Lubriplate 105 states on the label "engine assembly lube". Not that the other suggestion won"t work, but this stuff is made for it. Use it all the time and also use it in gearboxes where the seals are shot (bush hogs for example) and you don"t want to take it apart.

It has a viscosity about half way between grease and 90w oil. Very slick and stays put

So how was rebuilding the Perkins? I have one and don"t like the oil pressure reading. Fixing to retire and may take it on as a project.

Mark

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William Bos

08-30-2004 16:45:02




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 Re: Assembly Lube in reply to txblu, 08-30-2004 06:49:40  
Hi,

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Lubriplate 105 it will be. We just began the rebuild, so I will let you know how it goes. We soaked the block in a cut-off poly drum , in water and Zep degreaser ( purple stuff from home depot. ) and after letting it sit for a few days, we used a metal brush ( like a bottle brush ) to clean out the main oil glaaey, then thoroughly rinsed it off woth a power washer. same for the crank , head and everything else. So we know the glaaeys are all clean.

Once it comes back from the machineshop, we will begin the rebuild. We will be getting semi-finished sleeves put in, and then the final finish will be done by our machinist, to keep everything bang on correct.

Thanks

Will

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txblu

08-30-2004 11:52:35




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 Re: Assembly Lube in reply to txblu, 08-30-2004 06:49:40  
Incase there is some confusion as to what "stays put" means.

It means that it remains on your bearings until you get oil (under pressure) to wash it out.

Mark



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riverbend

08-29-2004 20:18:44




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 Re: Assembly Lube in reply to William Bos, 08-29-2004 17:41:46  
Try your local NAPA store for a cam and lifter lube. It is sticky and stays where you put it. For parts like main and rod bearings, try 1/2 30 wt motor oil and 1/2 STP.



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