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MF 35 Deluxe Fuse

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Homegrown

08-29-2004 13:16:06




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I'm planning on replacing the headlight switch on my tractor, and started looking at the circuit. The fuse installed for this circuit is a 30 amp, which seems a little high to me. Anyone know what it should be? The lights it controls are two sealed beams on the front, a sealed beam worklight on the rear, and the instrument lights.




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txblu

08-30-2004 06:53:56




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 Re: MF 35 Deluxe Fuse in reply to Homegrown, 08-29-2004 13:16:06  
Headlights are usually 35 w x2 = 70w

Rear light let"s be generous 35w

insturments, 3 or 4 bulbs (generous)@ 6w ea 25w

Total wattage 130 watts.

6v = 22a
12v = 11a

Looks like the 30 amp fuse is ok if the wiring will support it. Takes 10 awg to hold 30 amperes. Sounds like you have a 6v system. A 12v system would only need 14 awg wire and a 15 amp fuse would hold it.

Mark



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Homegrown

08-30-2004 08:54:58




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 Re: MF 35 Deluxe Fuse in reply to txblu, 08-30-2004 06:53:56  
Mark: Thanks for the response, I definitely have a 12 volt system. The instrument lights are the luminesence type with the special power supply, so I'm not sure a per bulb calcuation is appropriate. Anyone with this same tractor care to check your fuse size for me?



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Bill Stanley

08-30-2004 15:59:04




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 Re: MF 35 Deluxe Fuse in reply to Homegrown, 08-30-2004 08:54:58  
Traced the wiring on my mostly original Massey 35 (12 v.) and did not find a fuse. Where is it and I will look again.



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Homegrown

08-31-2004 06:18:25




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 Re: MF 35 Deluxe Fuse in reply to Bill Stanley, 08-30-2004 15:59:04  
Bill: The fuse on my (gas) tractor is immediately to the left of the ignition switch. The diagram in my operators manual shows this fuse, just not the size. Thanks for looking for me.



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Bill Stanley

08-31-2004 07:29:09




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 Re: MF 35 Deluxe Fuse in reply to Homegrown, 08-31-2004 06:18:25  
A fuse is a good idea but no fuse anywhere. Gas tractor also. To the left of the ignition switch is a starter button on the front of the dash. To the far left is a model/serial plate. The top left of the dash has an ammeter and a fuel gage. On the backside of the dash there is no sigh of a fuse anywhere. Wiring to headlights and work light is can be snatched off by the same briers that occasionally cut me up. Big Dean will know the fuse size. Dell on the 2N board will know.

My manual is an IT Service Manual and it does not have a wiring diagram. However it does say that the maximum generator output (hot) is 10-12 amps at 2800 RPM. The work light is 35 watts. With being too theoretical it seems that fusing for three 35-watt loads would be good. My guess is a 10-amp fuse. One would not think that the engineers would design for discharge with the lights on. Hope this helps.

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Bill Stanley

08-30-2004 16:01:42




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 Re: MF 35 Deluxe Fuse in reply to Bill Stanley, 08-30-2004 15:59:04  
Also Big Dean�s wiring diagram does not show a fuse.



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txblu

08-30-2004 11:50:28




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 Re: MF 35 Deluxe Fuse in reply to Homegrown, 08-30-2004 08:54:58  
Iffin you don"t find a parts breakdown, MF dealer, or other reputable source, to answer your question, here"s something that could help.

Purpose of fusing is to protect wiring from coming to a temperature that will melt the insulation. So, different wire material and different insulation types dictate different fusing.

My rule of thumb, for general purpose wiring, like would be found on a tractor, with copper conductors, and rubber or thermoplastic insulation the following wire sizing is appropriate: (From the NEC, Flexible Cords based on an ambient of 86F*):(Sorry the editor runs this table altogether)

Current capacity, AWGauge , Cond Dia (in) 10 amperes , 16 , .051
15 amperes , 14 , .064
20 amperes , 12 , .080
30 amperes , 10 , .101
100 starter gas , 1/0 , .325**
200 starter diesel , 2/0 , .364**

* Different insulating materials allow for higher ambient temperatures. Some thermoplastics are rated at 220F. Is all your wiring original? ** Either is excessive from a temperature standpoint. What"s desired here is the lowest voltage drop across the wiring in the starter circuit, so the larger the better.

Your wire is what you are protecting with the fuse , so it is your basis for the size, not the load you"re handling, per se.

You might turn your engine off, key on, all electrical acc including lights on and read your ammeter. (Need to have the engine off so that the gen/alt doesn"t give you a false reading.)

Then check the diameter of your wiring and and size the fuse accordingly.

One last note: A (The) fuse is rated to interrupt a given current, holding off a given voltage in the process of circuit interruption, in a given time, at a given temperature. Lots of variables in selecting a fuse.

I know it"d be nice to have the original, but what says your tractor is original?

Hope this helps.

Mark

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