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TO-30 Starter Gear

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lonestarjeff

08-27-2004 21:07:13




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My uncle's TO-30 has gone thru 2 starter gears in the last couple of years. It was converted to 12V before he bought it. Is there a way to slow down that starter? Or is there a stronger gear out there? The tractor has always fired right off, it's not like she takes alot of cranking.

Jeff




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Jerry/MT

08-28-2004 21:23:16




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 Re: TO-30 Starter Gear in reply to lonestarjeff, 08-27-2004 21:07:13  
I have a TO-30 with a 12 V conversion and the original starter and I have had no problems with the starter gear. I knocked the ring gear off the flywheel though! The original Ferguson design was prone to do that. Replaced the flywheel with the redesigned one have had not had a problem. Maybe you got into a bad batch of gears.



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lonestarjeff

08-28-2004 23:25:42




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 Re: TO-30 Starter Gear in reply to Jerry/MT, 08-28-2004 21:23:16  
You must be right. How is the design of the new ring gear different?

Jeff



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Jerry/MT

08-29-2004 20:41:35




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 Re: TO-30 Starter Gear in reply to lonestarjeff, 08-28-2004 23:25:42  
I didn't mean to imply you had a bad ring gear. I said that I have a TO-30 with a 12 volt system and had not had your problem. The redesigned flywheel incorporated a lip on the back edge of the flywheel and the ring gear was sweated on from the front so that it is virtually impossible to knock the ring gear off the flywheel as was the case in the original design.

How are your starter gears failing? Are you sure that your ring gear isn't badly worn and causing premature wear on the starter gears. Take a look at the ring gear teeth. Are they much wider apart than the width of the starter gear teeth? Could be they are worn to the point that they are much larger than the starter teeth and so they are cauing the damage to the starter gears. If that's the case, you'll have to split the tractor and repace the ring gear. It's not a bad job. Get a shop manual and it'll be an easy job. I would recommend you get the redesigned flywheel if yours is the old style. That way you'll only have to split it once. Hope this helps.

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John McPherson

08-29-2004 12:16:58




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 Re: TO-30 Starter Gear in reply to lonestarjeff, 08-28-2004 23:25:42  
Before comitting to replacing the ring gear, check the starter gear to ring gear clearances (stain the starter gear teeth with "Prussian Blue", and the lead in angle of the ring gear teeth from the direction of the starter (they should not be flat). if clearances are too great, or too small, the starter gears fail pretty quick. The trick is to identify why the clearances may be off. It may just require a shim, or there may be few loose bolts around the bellhousing.

Also check for runout on the ring (flyweel gear) as it may have some broken welds, broken teeth, etc, or the flywheel itself may need some attention if it has begun to loosen from the crank or broke.

If the ring gear is damaged from use, or distorted (they do wear out too), certainly a replacement is in order. But if everything about the ring gear, bell housing, etc is in order, it might be the quality of parts that the rebuilder used.

More than likely any design differing from the original is likely to be in the angle ground on the teeth of the ring gear, most likely a higher degree angle to reduce the amount of impact force from the starter gear as it hunts for engagement with the ring gear.

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