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JD 5020 guy

07-19-2004 21:34:33




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Where Massey Harris tractors made in the US or Canada or both? The Masseys I am talking about are the ones made from the 30s to the 50s. Also, were was the 55 and 555 made? The reason I ask is because I have heard it both ways. Thanks




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Tim in NB

07-20-2004 05:58:35




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 Re: MH tractor factories in reply to JD 5020 guy, 07-19-2004 21:34:33  
I think only the pony's were made in Canada for the North American market. The Pony's were also made oversea's, I think France. I have a Colt that was made in Racine, Wisconsin.



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Jim Shields

07-20-2004 06:59:56




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 Re: Re: MH tractor factories in reply to Tim in NB, 07-20-2004 05:58:35  
Hi Tim.... I have a massey harris colt and it has "canada " in the transmission shifter plate. Would this indicate it being made in canada ??



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Tim in NB

07-20-2004 17:37:07




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 Re: Re: Re: MH tractor factories in reply to Jim Shields, 07-20-2004 06:59:56  
What does it say on your serial number tag ? Mine says made in Racine, Wisconsin. Maybe they cast some parts in Canada and asembled them in Racine. If it says Canada on that particular casting, I would say it was made in Canada. What year is your colt and what is the serial number? Are you the Jim in NS?



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Jim Shields

07-21-2004 07:04:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: MH tractor factories in reply to Tim in NB, 07-20-2004 17:37:07  
Hi Tim,, Yes ,I am the Jim in N.S. have tried your email ,but no reply ,will you try mine ?? The serial "tag" is missing from my colt ,but the serial # is ,,21G1RF 2573 .. Mine has hydraulic lift , but not original arms . Would like to see an original lift or good photo of one . were they a 3 point hitch or some variation of an "eagle" type of hitch ?



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Tim in NB

07-21-2004 13:31:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MH tractor factories in reply to Jim Shields, 07-21-2004 07:04:26  
Jim, I sent you an email with a couple of pictures. Hope you get it! Let me know!



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Harris Guy

07-20-2004 08:29:49




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 Re: Re: Re: MH tractor factories in reply to Jim Shields, 07-20-2004 06:59:56  
Massey-Harris was an on the border company, did
early outsourcing for components. Casting may have Canada imprint, but most parts went to Racine. The overseas equipment remains a grey area, since MH was Global. Pony Diesels were
built in France through 1957. Productions records
lack non-North American models. Was that 33RC,
with 4 row cultivator, in Pakistan, actually made
in Wisconsin, somewhat doubtful, perhaps France?
The records, combine cash, got carted off in
briefcases, by the suits. Why MH paid Harry Ferguson a dime, was foolish. All tractors ended
up with the borrowed 3 point hitch, within a few
years of MHF. Harry was unable to follow his lone
idea, the Ferguson system.

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msb

07-20-2004 22:01:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: MH tractor factories in reply to Harris Guy, 07-20-2004 08:29:49  
Harris guy,you sound like me.Ferguson was the worst thing that even happened to Massey Harris,IMHO.I think Ferguson engineers thought to small when the industry was going to bigger and bigger tractors.Today when I analyize the way tractors of that day were built,Massey wins hands down in simplicity of desigh and was the first tractor with the operator's safety in mind.The first true operator's station.It took Deere until 1960 to coin the phrase.All you have to do is tear down a Farmall M waterpump or a Deere,well any part of one of the 2 cylinders[ever tear into a 2 cylinder power steering unit?](And I bleed green today).Seats on the Moline U look like they were an afterthought.DC Case,OH HELL,we forgot to put some front wheels on the damn thing!AH, we'll just put some out in front here!-----I'll stop there before someone throws rocks at me. LOL,bob

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Tim in NB

07-20-2004 17:48:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: MH tractor factories in reply to Harris Guy, 07-20-2004 08:29:49  
What year did Harris's get the Ferguson system. My 53 Colt has the Harris Depth o Matic System which I think works very well. All the manuals that came with the tractor and the plow say Massey-Harris and the Tractor itself says Massey-Harris. I purchased an original Massey Harris Tractor Engines Service Data book that is dated 6-54 and it says Massey-Harris-Ferguson. When did Massey Harris get Ferguson? Some books I read say 55 some say 54. I would say it must have been early 54?

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Harris Guy

07-21-2004 10:22:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MH tractor factories in reply to Tim in NB, 07-20-2004 17:48:01  
The regretable 'deal' was about August, 1953. It
took four years of infighting to debut the toys.
New '58 models offered a combine mounted on a low
profile 50,65,then 35. Probably sold ten. Harry,
on the MHF Board, insisted no R & D funding for MH tractors. Thus, the 333/444 models remained with the 1950 over-ride clutch, for PTO, rather
than full independent, like Oliver. Sales fell, as Harry boasted, "wait for my new tractors". Hitch-All was available by mid-'54, but shows no
signs of "Harry's toys" involvement. Durable category II 3 point. MH might have survived if
no MHF merger. Depth-o-matic is the 1948 22 debut
of MH live hydraulics.

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Chris

07-21-2004 15:44:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MH tractor factories in reply to Harris Guy, 07-21-2004 10:22:28  
Of course, the worse thing that could have happened to Ferguson was to merge with MH, but by then I suspect Harrys heart was no longer in it.
The LTX would have wiped the floor, and according to a few articles on the subject did just that to the equivalent MH offering, but the balance of power in the new company was red, not grey.

If it was as good as it's supposed to have been the other manufacturers would have been playing catch up for years.

Ferguson didn't 'just' invent the three point linkage and a form of hydraulic depth control, he pioneered a form of mechanised farming, where every implement was made for the job in hand, not over engineered or complex or oversized. The system was about reliability and simplicity, and it worked. Just look at how many T-20's the company sold, and the tractor was probably the Ferguson systems weak link!

Chris

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