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MF65 Brakes

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Ken Brading

03-08-2004 06:20:25




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I�m doing a brake job on my MF65 with the Continential gasoline engine (Serial Number: 650731). It has the dry inboard brakes; the brake discs are 7� OD x 2�ID x 27 splines, I think the Massey part number is: 1753117 M91. I suspect the actuators are worn out but I�m not sure. I think the Massey part number for the actuator assembly (2 plates, 3 balls, 3 springs) is: 764805M91. Could anyone tell me how thick a brand new actuator assembly is? Who would be a good supplier for these parts?
Ken

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Charlie

03-09-2004 17:22:49




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 Re: MF65 Brakes in reply to Ken Brading, 03-08-2004 06:20:25  
I recommend replacing the springs that hold actuator plates together. These springs can get weak and I had one to break. Be sure to drain the trans/diff oil before removing inboard brake plate.



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Doug

03-08-2004 10:38:02




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 Re: MF65 Brakes in reply to Ken Brading, 03-08-2004 06:20:25  
Ken -

I am in the process of changing the brakes on my MF-65 right now. The brakes were locking up as soon as you touched the peddal. I thought I would find the pads and actuators worn to the bone, but what I found when I opened it up was that the oil seals on the outboard planetary gears had let oil seep into the axle housing, contaminating the brake pads. The pads and the actuators were full of sticky gunk. I cleaned out the housing, replaced the inboard and outboard seals, all four brake disks, and the 5 actuator balls and 3 springs on each side. Total cost in parts: about $200.00 from jackssmallengines.com. Good luck.

- Doug

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Glenn in Pa

03-08-2004 06:37:27




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 Re: MF65 Brakes in reply to Ken Brading, 03-08-2004 06:20:25  
Ken,

I changed the brakes on a 175, which has a similar setup with the dry inboard brakes. I also suspected that the actuator was worn. What I found was that the springs on the actuator had lost their tension from heat. The pads had worn down to little more than nubs. When we cleaned everything up, and reassembled with the new pads and springs, we had lots of brake. The biggest help I had was from Big Dean on this site. I got his CD ROM and used it to figure out what I needed to do. He also helped with personal advice. I went to a Massey dealer, who found aftermarket parts that were inexpensive, especially compared to Massey. My local dealer wanted over $400 per axle for seals, pads, springs, etc. I went to another dealer, about 15 miles further, got all the same parts for $58 per axle. Go figure. Toughest part of the job was the screw that holds the brake cover on. Needed serious oxyacetalene heat for that, as well as grinding a BIG screwdriver to match the slot exactly. Get it touch w/ Big Dean, if he is feeling better... I know he went thru some rough time recently.

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Ken Brading

03-08-2004 20:12:20




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 Re: Re: MF65 Brakes in reply to Glenn in Pa, 03-08-2004 06:37:27  
Glenn & Doug,
Thank you for the advice. My brakes hung up and Big Dean said my actuators and discs might be worn down to the point the balls were coming out of the sockets between the actuator discs and locking them on. Upon disassembly I found oil soaked discs, the actuators look worn but I don't know what a new set looks like. I would like to find out what a new one measures before I go to the expense of buying one, and I don't have a a source but would like to compare.
Ken

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Doug

03-10-2004 16:36:21




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 Re: Re: Re: MF65 Brakes in reply to Ken Brading, 03-08-2004 20:12:20  
Ken -

My actuators look pretty new, or at least not worn. The donut-shaped outer wear surface of the actuators is about level with the unmachined part which holds the armature pins. There are pretty good pictures in the repair manual and a really good drawing in the parts manual. I strongly suggest picking up both manuals if you plan to do much work on the old girl yourself. Good luck.

- Doug

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Ken Brading

03-10-2004 19:54:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: MF65 Brakes in reply to Doug, 03-10-2004 16:36:21  
Doug,
I appreciate your response.

I measured my actuators and there is about 0.050" between the machined surface of the actuator plate and the top of the hook on the retainer springs. The lined brake discs look new. When I stack both lined discs and the actuator(consisting of 2 actuator plates and 5 balls)in the end of the axle tube and set the carrier plate on, I measure approx. 0.050" to 0.060" clearance between the inboard lined disk and the carrier plate through the pull rod port. That means if each actuator plate were more than 0.025" to 0.030" thicker I wouldn't have any assembly clearance. Are the tolerances tigher than I realize? Do you know how much gap I should have? Originally, I had a problem with a brake hanging up and it's been suggested the actuators are worn out and the balls are coming up out of the pockets in the actuators and locking the brakes on. With these clearances I'm having a hard time seeing that, thus my interest in the dimensions of new parts.
Ken

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