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Perkins 318 Knock

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Ed Steele

02-02-2004 16:37:15




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I saw a message on here with someone else having a similiar problem, but I didn't see if there was any resolution to it. My tractor (MF285) has a real noticeable knock at low RPM that goes away at higher RPM's. It appears to have good power. Overall the tractor has low hours, about 2000. Also, I am getting a bunch of blow by in the block. There is no noticeable smoke out of the stack, but it is smoking like crazy out of the breather tube. If you put your hand over the breather tube it will shoot the dipstick out. Tractor starts right up runs good doesn't appear to be burning oil, although it is leaking some out of the rear main, but not much. The tractor has not gotten worked much in the last few years as my dad is 78 now and I had been out of state for the last 2 years. Now I'm back and starting to use it. The smoke is pretty toxic if you're sitting in one place for any amount of time. Any Suggestions would be helpful. Thanks a bunch. I'm located in San Antonio TX if that is important.

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Bob in OK.

02-04-2004 12:18:57




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 Re: Perkins 318 Knock in reply to Ed Steele, 02-02-2004 16:37:15  
ED, I personaly wouldn`t try removing or reinstalling those sleeves as I have seen the pros break them. Glad it was him not me. Just my 2 cents.



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Ed Steele

02-04-2004 12:53:55




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 Re: Re: Perkins 318 Knock in reply to Bob in OK., 02-04-2004 12:18:57  
I don't think I will. I have talked to several people, and there are too many things that have me concerned. One is time. I'm pretty handy with a wrench, but if I crack this thing open with the intention of doing it myself, and find I need machine work done to the deck or something else, I'm not exactly sure how I'd get the cast iron block loaded on the truck. Not to mention I like having a warranty. A couple of the mechanics I talked to said they could get the sleeves out themselves, but it was just too risky and didn't want the liability. That's why they send it to the machine shop. I got a bid for $2300-$2500 unless the heads are really messed up then maybe as high as $3000. For a complete overhaul and warranty, I think I'll go that route and then not have to worry about this tractor for the next 10-20 years.

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MF Kid

02-04-2004 08:04:54




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 Re: Perkins 318 Knock in reply to Ed Steele, 02-02-2004 16:37:15  
Ed, it sounds like you may have a bad piston. This would explain the blowby and the knock. Time for a overhaul. Otherwise this engine is a beast for power and durability. Easy to work on too!



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Ed Steele

02-04-2004 09:22:50




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 Re: Re: Perkins 318 Knock in reply to MF Kid, 02-04-2004 08:04:54  
I did some calling around this morning. An overhaul kit is $837 for everything except bearings. I had a chance to talk to one of the lead mechanics about the sleeves and he said they send the engine out because it requires special tools to press them out.... Great. So much for me trying to do this myself... I am trying to get an aproximate bid to have it done. I would guess I'm looking at $1000 for the kit and bearings and maybe a $1000 for labor & misc. Hopefully I won't need to turn the crank. Does this sound about right?

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Big Jim

02-04-2004 10:46:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Perkins 318 Knock in reply to Ed Steele, 02-04-2004 09:22:50  
Ed,

Don't send that engine out. You can pull the old sleeves and install new ones yourself. You can make a puller out of a length of threaded rod and some scrap metal. You will need a welder and a drill. You will also need a local machine shop.

Step one: Go to your local machine shop and have them make a stepped disc about .010 less in diameter than your cylinder out of good thick stock(you can take one of the new sleeves to the shop and let them use it for a template). Have them drill a hole exactly in the center of the disc of the same size as the threaded rod you will be using (at least 5/8").
Step two:
Take three short pieces of flat iron say about 5 or 6 inches long of good thick stock (1/2" will work good). Two of the pieces are the "legs" that stand against the top of the block and one piece will be the crossbar that sits over the cylinder. Drill a hole in the center of the cross bar the same size as the hole in your disc.

Step three: You put a length of threaded rod through this hole. The rod needs to long enough to reach to the bottom of the cylinder and still stick up above the hole in the crossbar. The disc fits in the bottom of the cylinder. Then you put a nut on the threaded rod to hold the disc in place in the cylinder. Another nut gets threaded on the other end.
Step four: You just turn the top nut in against the crossbar and the disc comes up pulling the old sleeve with it. Once in a great while a sleeve doesn't want to come. Then you will need to take a welder and CAREFULLY run a bead or two on the inside of the old sleeve to shrink it.
When installing the new sleeves put them in a freezer overnight and test fit them into the cylinder. They should slide easily part of the way down, the last part needs to be hammered in so they fit tight. Use a block of wood or similar SOFT material to hammer them in. Sorry for the long post, couldn't think of a shorter way to describe the process.

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James in MO

02-03-2004 09:00:47




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 Re: Perkins 318 Knock in reply to Ed Steele, 02-02-2004 16:37:15  
Don't know much about a knock unless you can tell me where it is take a mroomstick and start placing it in different sopts around you motor and place your ear up against the other end you will be able to hear the knock in one spot predominantly I am going to assume it is bad news at high RPM you may be able to still hear your knock with the broomstick. As far as the blowby it is time for a rebuild you are getting compression into your crankcase as long as your breather is free it won't hurt a whole lot but blowing seals and gaskets is a very real issue here becasue it sounds like you are really loose. Go ahead and get it done befroe major damage is caused by your knock providing it is coming from your motor

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