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6 Volt - 12 Volt

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JC

12-19-2003 00:17:03




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I have a 1952 Massey Harris 44 Special.
Through the years different owners have rigged it quite a bit in the electronic components.

I am trying to get it to function properly and need to verify a few things and ask some advice.

First, I assume it was originally 6 volt, positive ground. Am I right?

It is now set up 12 volt negative ground. The generator is not hooked up.

I assume sometime later in the 1950's Massey switched to a 12 volt system, but kept the positive ground. Is this correct?

Now, what should be done so it all works. Should I go back to 6 volt and repair the generator or stick with 12 volts and find a later model generator that is 12 volts?

I would simply go back to 6 voly except the previous owner had it set up real good with a nice set of modern tractor lights (halogen) that work very good. I would hate to go back to a dimmer 6 volt light.

The tractor works well as is (12 volt neg ground)
except there is no charging system hooked up.
I will add that the flywheel is somewhat worn and the drive on the starter mustn't have any wear or else the teeth will not engage properly.
I suspect the wear is from juicing a 6 volt starter with 12 volts.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

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Gavin M

12-19-2003 09:50:23




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 Re: 6 Volt - 12 Volt in reply to JC, 12-19-2003 00:17:03  
You are quite right in that your tractor (assuming it is a gas model) would have used a 6V, positive ground setup. As it sounds like you have a working tractor, as opposed to a restoration, there is no reason to revert to 6V operation. For a charging system, there are a few options. First, as you mentioned, you could have your generator rewired to 12V. This may be the cheapest alternative, depending on the shop quote. A second alternative might be to use a diesel generator/regulator setup. The factory used 2 6V batteries in series on the diesel versions of the 44, also positive ground. If you happen across this setup, it will work. The diesel versions also used a starter solenoid (similar to a Ford car/truck) as opposed to the gas, distillate & LP models, which ran the starter current through the switch. The last option would be to use an alternator. The consensus seems to be that this is the best arrangement, usually with a GM 10SI alternator with internal regulator. It is best to wire the exciter in, so it will charge the battery at low RPM without revving the motor first, to "start" the alternator. Wiring diagrams are available on this website (look under articles). However, they will generally work even as a "one-wire" setup, if you don't mind revving up the engine. I have two 44's, a '49 RC with a 12V conversion, and a '54 Special, all original. My '49 actually uses a Motorcraft (Ford) alternator from a '90 Thunderbird, but only because I had a new one sitting around. If I didn't, I'd of used the GM -it's much cheaper. The bottom line is that the '49 will start here (Northwest Alberta; it gets COLD) in the winter, whereas the Secial will not, without considerably more coaxing. If you go the alternator route, you'll need a pulley that can accomodate the large D-size belt. If you can't find one locally, I can locate one for you that will fit either a GM or late Ford alternator. I haven't seen any problems with either the starter drive or flywheel running the starter on 12V. I think most folks run the starter to failure, then rewire to 12V. Usually failure never comes, unless the starter is abused (cranking for minutes at a time, etc).
Another issue is that it is difficult to boost a 6V tractor. I have done this but it is very hard on a 12V battery/charging system and I would never consider doing it from a computerized vehicle.
Incidentally, Massey Harris switched to 12V on the 444 (sucessor to the 44 Special) in 1956. I also wonder if your tractor is either a '52 or a Special, as Special production began in '53 with serial no. 50000. '52s have serial numbers 17059 to 43700. If you post your SN I or many others can decode it for you. Good luck.

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Phil(va)

12-25-2003 19:23:36




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 Re: Re: 6 Volt - 12 Volt in reply to Gavin M, 12-19-2003 09:50:23  
You can boost a 6 v from a 12 v easily by hooking one jumper from the 12 v directly to the tractor starter post and then just touching the jumper from the other 12 v post to any ground on the tractor. Make sure tractor key is on, and especially make sure tractor is OUT OF GEAR! Starter will spin fast, and barring any other problems, tractor will start and it will not damage either vehicle. Doing it this way you bypass all the tractor ignition.

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Ken

12-19-2003 07:34:33




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 Re: 6 Volt - 12 Volt in reply to JC, 12-19-2003 00:17:03  
I have a 1953 M-H 44 Special which i just recently restored. It has 6V system and is a positive ground. That's the way they were manufactured. If you use it only in the late spring, summer and fall and want to restore it to original, 6V is the way to go. However the 6V doesn't work well in winter months. I agree with
David B, i would leave it with the 12V system so
it is much easier to start anytime of the year.

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David B

12-19-2003 06:18:59




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 Re: 6 Volt - 12 Volt in reply to JC, 12-19-2003 00:17:03  
I would leave it with the 12 volt system . I would have my generator rebuilt and made into a 12 volt generator,and use a new 12 volt regulator on it. It has worked for me on on a couple 50's tractors.



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