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Guy from CA

09-02-2003 19:22:52




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I also posted this on the Ferguson Forum

I just got a TO35. I ordered manuals the day after I got it but they have not yet arrived. So unless someone can lend a
hand, my tractor will sit where I turned it off until the manuals arrive.

Here's the problem, the tractor has power steering and leaks from the steering box, the steering began to make a little
noise so I decided to check the fluid. I located the power steering pump on the left side of the engine, it is topped by a
large canister with a nut on top of it. Just forward there is what looks like a fluid reservoir with a screw off cap. I remove
this cap and found no fluid. So I searched this site and concluded that I should put 90 wt gear oil in the power steering.

After putting about 1.5 quarts of gear oil/hydraulic fluid into this reservoir, there is still no visible fluid. Wondering, I
looked around and got a sinking feeling that perhaps I have been pouring gear oil into the engine crankcase! I pulled the
engine oil dip stick, and it seems to read above full!

Did I pour the gear oil into the engine crankcase?

If so I guess I'll need to drain the crank case and refill, how much does it take without changing the filter?

If the above is correct, how do I check the power steering fluid?

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Oldfarmboy jim

09-02-2003 22:49:52




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 Re: Help! I think I scr*wed up. in reply to Guy from CA, 09-02-2003 19:22:52  
I don't think you read Big Dean's site carefully enough. The transmission,differential, and hydraulic system require SAE 90W STRAIGHT MINERAL OIL, NOT GEAR OIL. The power steering uses AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID. That's right from the Massey Ferguson Operator's manual. You have to remove the top of the power steering resevoir to service it. You found the fill pipe for the crankcase, so you'll know where to put the engine oil back in after you drain out what's in there. The manuals will keep you on the straight and narrow after this. Good luck with a great tractor, Jim

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Guy from CA

09-03-2003 07:47:38




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 Re: Re: Help! I think I scr*wed up. in reply to Oldfarmboy jim, 09-02-2003 22:49:52  
Boy, am I confused. I did a search on this forum for Power Steering Fluid and have read all the results.

Still confused.

Here's a quote from BigDean:

"Jerry the same oil you run in the transmission is what Massey recommends for the power steering. The dealers got a service bulletin on that way back in 1978 telling us not to use Dextron oils in the steering that the seal would not stand the Dextron oil to use M1129A which is Perm-A Tran III now days."

He says to use the same thing as in the transmission BUT I use 90w Mineral Oil in my transmission based on other recommednations I read here.

???

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Oldfarmboy Jim

09-03-2003 12:15:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Help! I think I scr*wed up. in reply to Guy from CA, 09-03-2003 07:47:38  
Well, I guess I could have been more specific. The MF operator's manual specifies Automatic Transmission Fluid TYPE A. Type A is not the Dextron/Mercron fluids that were recommmended for later model autos. When these older tractors were made there was no Dextron. I certainly agree with Big Dean that Perm-A Tran III will meet the specs for ATF type A. Straight 90W Mineral oil yes! 90W gear oil, NO! I hope that unconfuses my previous posting. Jim

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Guy from CA

09-03-2003 15:03:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Help! I think I scr*wed up. in reply to Oldfarmboy Jim, 09-03-2003 12:15:42  
Jim,
Thanks for taking the time to help me understand. I think I've got it straight now.



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David B

09-02-2003 19:39:20




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 Re: Help! I think I scr*wed up. in reply to Guy from CA, 09-02-2003 19:22:52  
Not sure where you are putting the oil. On my 65 M-F you have to take the cover off the pump resevoir by removing a small bolt which will let the whole top come of. I havn't got my book but I don't think you should use 90 wt gear oil. I think mine calls for automatic trans fluid. When you remove the top you can see the level of the fluid. You need to check about what kind of fluid to use.



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Guy from CA

09-02-2003 20:36:59




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 Re: Re: Help! I think I scr*wed up. in reply to David B, 09-02-2003 19:39:20  
David, thanks for confirming what I suspected. Tomorrow I'll drain and replace the oil, then check my power streeting fluid.

Regarding the fluid, I looked through the archives, and BigDean recommends the gear oil, so that's what I'll use - also seems like it might leak a little more slowly.



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C. T. in Oklahoma

09-02-2003 20:00:22




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 Re: Re: Help! I think I scr*wed up. in reply to David B, 09-02-2003 19:39:20  
I have a FE35 and my oil filler is on the left side of the engine and looks like a power steering pump. I am certain, based on your description, that you have put gear oil into your engine. I would drain it and put oil back in. I have a diesel and it takes six quarts of oil. C. T.



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sparky

09-02-2003 21:27:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Help! I think I scr*wed up. in reply to C. T. in Oklahoma, 09-02-2003 20:00:22  
Big differance between hydralic oil, power steering fluid (both @ 10w) and 90w gear oil. I would make sure before more dammage is done.



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AC Gary

09-03-2003 04:56:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Help! I think I scr*wed up. in reply to sparky, 09-02-2003 21:27:41  
Do'nt make two mistakes in a row power steering uses ATF . manual steering may use gear oil.



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bob

09-03-2003 07:19:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Help! I think I scr*wed up. in reply to AC Gary, 09-03-2003 04:56:17  
gary hit the nail on the head when hje asid power against manual that man has common sense. ha



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