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MF 35 hydraulic pump repair

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David Uk

08-31-2003 13:42:08




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Posted before on this and got some good information but I still need to know one elusive fact. Vapormatic sell a pump repair kit but is says its for FE and MF35 tractors after serial no 65~~~ something. Mine is an FE35 and is before that. I think the difference is that the pistons are bigger diameter in rebuild kit but that it could be fitted to the earlier pump and would give a higher oil flow. Question is does anyone know for sure if this kit will fit early pump - the type with 20mm pistons and no inlet filter?

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DouroBob

09-01-2003 04:46:56




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 Re: MF 35 hydraulic pump repair in reply to David Uk, 08-31-2003 13:42:08  
Sounds like a great question for Jack from NB.

Hi Jack - are you following this? I think I will need the same kit when I tear into my FE 35 this winter.

Bob



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Jack in NB

09-01-2003 11:41:21




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 Re: Re: MF 35 hydraulic pump repair in reply to DouroBob, 09-01-2003 04:46:56  
You would get me into this, Bob!

The early pumps fitted to the FE 35 (before s/n 65685) had a smaller piston (less than 0.91", I don't know how much less!). The later pumps fitted with .91" pistons had p/n 184 472 M91 in the FE 35 UK parts book. ( I've also seen a designation "Mark 1" for the pumps with the 0.91" piston.) The Vapormatic catalog shows p/n 184 472 M93 for the later (0.91" piston) pumps. Presumably this has a strainer.

The US MF parts books show p/n 184 473 M91 (note - 1 digit higher - 473 rather than 472 - than the UK numbers!) without strainer or piston rings, M92 with strainer, without piston rings (prior to 230456 gas, 231716 diesel), and M93 - with strainer and piston rings - for later models.

A caution on serial numbers - UK serial numbers may not be the same as US.

The pump parts list in the FE35 UK manual has identical part numbers for backing plates, cam blocks, cam shaft and most other internal components for both the smaller pistons and the later 0.91" pistons. (These same part numbers are found in the US parts books.) It is reasonable to assume from this that the smaller pistons in the very early units may be replaced with the larger pistons and valve chambers. I have not done it, so can't say for certain!

The later 0.91" pistons with rings will fit the valve chambers in the early models with 0.91" pistons.

In summary, the valve chambers and 0.91" pistons with rings can be installed on all 0.91" pumps; it appears they will also replace the smaller pistons on the very early pumps.

2 further notes:
When overhauling the pump, replace the control valve at the same time. There are three precision fit washers on the unit, and a small amount of wear on them substantially increases the three-point leak-down rate.

There are valve chamber overhaul kits available. We have had no success with these units. With the availability of (very much cheaper) aftermarket valve chamber assemblies, it is best to replace the chambers with new when overhauling.

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DouroBob

09-02-2003 18:13:14




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 Re: Re: Re: MF 35 hydraulic pump repair in reply to Jack in NB, 09-01-2003 11:41:21  
Sorry Jack but I knew you would have the goods.
Lost my old bookmark on the Vapormatic parts site out of Woodstock Ont - do you have the URL handy?

Bob



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David

09-01-2003 17:29:22




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 Re: Re: Re: MF 35 hydraulic pump repair in reply to Jack in NB, 09-01-2003 11:41:21  
Thanks Jack, more good info. I would agree on replacing valve chambers. Valve seats are knackered and new valves would not work on their own. Unless I am offered a good secondhand pump in the next few days that might be available I will be doing the rebuild and will post again about what I find with the rebuild kit.



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David

09-01-2003 06:01:37




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 Re: Re: MF 35 hydraulic pump repair in reply to DouroBob, 09-01-2003 04:46:56  
I'm think I'm a little further forward with this. Apparently the Sparex catalogue also lists a pump complete repair kit and according to the storeman I was speaking to there is no cut-off serial number given for it. I suspect it will be idential to the vapormatic one and is the same price (�92 +VAT). At that I may get it and will then find out for sure if it fits. As there is no cut-off number, I can return it for refund if it is unsuitable. It looks like some of the components (i.e pistons and valve chambers) differ between earlier and later pumps and so would be incompatible if fitted individually but ok if fitted as a replacement set. If this is so then the Vapormatic catalogue is a bit misleading.

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