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Whats the difference in a fe35 and a mf35 diesel

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james hodge

06-11-2003 13:54:43




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C. T. in Oklahoma

06-11-2003 16:34:05




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 Re: whats the difference in a fe35 and a mf35 dies in reply to james hodge, 06-11-2003 13:54:43  
Just to get this discussion started, I have an FE-35 and it is manufactured in England (FE means Ferguson England). One difference is probably positive ground. I am no expert, so I don't know any other differences.



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David

06-11-2003 17:14:25




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 Re: Re: whats the difference in a fe35 and a mf35 in reply to C. T. in Oklahoma, 06-11-2003 16:34:05  
Different bonnet, engine (usually Standard 23c diesel in FE35), Ferguson rather than MF badges, colour scheme (grey and bronze/gold)



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C. T. in Oklahoma

06-11-2003 18:46:09




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 Re: Re: Re: whats the difference in a fe35 and a m in reply to David, 06-11-2003 17:14:25  
David, mine is an A3-152 Perkins diesel, manufactured in 1964. Even though the S/N plate says FE35, it might be considered an MF35. C. T.



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Bob

06-11-2003 22:32:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: whats the difference in a fe35 and in reply to C. T. in Oklahoma, 06-11-2003 18:46:09  
My FE35 also has the 3 cylinder Perkins. It is a 1964 delux (two stage clutch, diff lock etc). In my biased view, one of the best tractors ever built.



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Bob

06-11-2003 22:23:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: whats the difference in a fe35 and in reply to C. T. in Oklahoma, 06-11-2003 18:46:09  
My FE35 also has the 3 cylinder Perkins. It is a 1964 delux (two stage clutch, diff lock etc). In my biased view, one of the best tractors ever built.



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David

06-12-2003 01:45:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: whats the difference in a fe35 in reply to Bob, 06-11-2003 22:23:22  
This certainly raises the question of when is a FE35 not a FE35? I understood FE35 to be a fairly short lived model made only for a year or so from 1956 until 1957 and was always grey/gold (in UK). What do the bonnet badges (if any) say? MF or Ferguson? My understanding is that the tractor became the MF35 with the introduction of the Massey Ferguson red/grey colour scheme and was then no longer a FE35 but a MF35. In UK, at least, dual clutch was fitted on both FE35 deluxe and on MF35 but diff lock was a MF35X feature (35x also had uprated 45hp 3 cylinder engine like 135). Don't know if you can go solely by the makers plate as mine says Massey Harris Ferguson although tractor was actually badged and sold as a Ferguson. Castings are also are stamped MHF. The tractormeter/tacho/speedo on my brother-in-law's MF35 (1961) says FE35 on it and is original. Possibly serial numbers may be best way of fixing date. I think some Standard23c engines were fitted in early MF35s until the purchase of Perkins by MF. James UK posted some stuff about this quite recently.

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H.T.Hertz

06-12-2003 02:54:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: whats the difference in a in reply to David, 06-12-2003 01:45:23  
I was told, that FE35 is the designation of the model built at Banner Lane, UK. After the merger with MH, several of the names and logos were indeed changed, but not the basic design. This is why I mean that you are right all of you. My 62 '35 has FE35 on the transmission housing, MF-35 on the nameplate and casting marks. Further, here in Denmark there were no such thing as a Deluxe model. The UK model sold here, (and, I believe in all of Europe) were called Super or Special, the Super with dual clutch, coolant thermometer and tractormeter, the configuration to be seen from the serial number (SNMYW, SNMY, SGM, SHM etc.)
As for the 35X it had the A3-152 instead of the 3-152 Perkins. As far as I know there were no AD3-152 (direct injected 45hp) versions of the '35.

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Hamish

06-12-2003 12:02:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: whats the difference i in reply to H.T.Hertz, 06-12-2003 02:54:15  
You are exactly right.
In November 1957 when MF came into being the ferguson FE35 became the MF FE35 and carried the FE35 designation on the manufacturers plate along with the serial No. The British Massey Harris company used 3 digit model Nos begining with 7 and what would have been the MH 765 became the MF 765 and carried the 765 designation on the manufacturers plate.Both tractors carried MF 35 and 65 on bonnet.I think both British models carried this designation on the manufacturers plate untill they were superceededby the 100 series.In August 1962 the 35x was introduced to run alongside the other 35's ( petrol. pet / tvo and desiel) The 35x had A3 152 engine as opposed to 35 which carried on with 3 152 engine.35x had more power and can be identified by 450 pto rpm which is at 1700 engine rpm as opposed to 1600 on 35.About the same time multi power became option, and diff lock standard, on 35x only. Diff lock becam option on 35 whereas it had previously been an accessory !! The AD3 152 engine (direct injection) was only fitted to the 135.
It has taken a number of years and a lot of asking question to learn this information which may not be 100 % correct, if anyone knows different please let me know.

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David (Scotland)

06-12-2003 12:48:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: whats the differen in reply to Hamish, 06-12-2003 12:02:01  
I thought I understood it (but obviously didn't) and never knew it was so complicated. I was looking at the books tonight and think this is the situation with engine. As always, someone may know better. I think Hamish has got it sussed.

Seems like the MF35 had the 3.152 which was indirect injection (with injectors as 90 degrees in head) and produced about 35hp. MF35X had A3.152 and produced about 41.5hp. I assume this was also indirect. MF135 had AD3.152 which produced about 45hp and is direct injection with injectors angled in head. The D3.152 is the industrial variant fitted in road compressors, boats and the 1989 JCB406 loading shovel that my father-in-law owns. It has a slighly higher compressiom ratio than AD3 and allegedly produces 47hp. Maybe that's right, maybe it isn't or maybe I'm just a sad git to care about it! I think I'll see if I can get a life instead sometime.

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Hamish

06-12-2003 13:13:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: whats the diff in reply to David (Scotland), 06-12-2003 12:48:31  
You and me both David. My family call me the Sad tractor Git, but I think this is the life !!!
I was at the Fife Vintage tractor club Rally at Gateside last weekend and thought i knew what i was talking about older MF tractors, but after speaking to some old timers I had ro reconsider my views. The problem is that MF did not do a good job of keeping records about tractor changes, and the people who used them are relying on memories of 70 years ago, AND there is a lot of eronious information being printed in books and magazines, then passed on as genuine true information.
I think i have agreat life, and don't need to get a new one
Hamish

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David

06-12-2003 08:49:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: whats the difference i in reply to H.T.Hertz, 06-12-2003 02:54:15  
One of the great things about this site is that there is always something to learn. I thought that the main difference between 35 and 35X was use of the more powerful AD3.152 engine and a diff lock and that it was basically a 135 with different tinwork but now I have some doubts. So I may be wrong on that count. Friends of Ferguson site does indicate MF35X had the A3.152 so I guess I'll need to check other sources to convince myself about it one way or another.

Maybe this is really another thread but, does anyone know what the difference between the AD3.152 (agricultural/MF engine) and D3.152 (industrial version) are? I know the compression ratio and timing gear are different but why did Perkins go to the trouble of having two very similar versions of the same engine?

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C. T. in Oklahoma

06-12-2003 16:29:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: whats the differen in reply to David, 06-12-2003 08:49:39  
My head is spinning with all of this good information. I thought mine was an "X" because I have the tractormeter, dual clutch, differential lock, and coolant thermometer (temperature gauge for us Yanks). I have also read the high/low range is a deluxe or "X" feature. As I mentioned in my earlier post, my engine is the A3-152. If it is not, I used the wrong overhaul package when we rebuilt it last summer. Regardless, it is a great tractor. I wish I was using it for what it was built for instead of just maintaining a little five acre piece of ground. C. T.

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