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Michael R. Flah

05-05-2003 13:07:02




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Will an engine out of a massey harris super 26 combine, bolt up to a bell housing in a massey harris model 30 even though the combine engine is a straight 6 and the model 30 is a 4 cylinder?




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Ennismoremike

05-06-2003 06:54:49




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 Re: Engine swap in reply to Michael R. Flaharty, 05-05-2003 13:07:02  
I replaced a (6) cylinder continental in a Massey 102 sr with a 218 cu in chrysler - short blocl - 23" - from a massey 72 combine . The bell housing from the continental was too long .I picked up a used bell housing & clutch assy from a massey 102 sr from the wrecker. The housing bolted up perfectly to the engine , however , it required slight modification of the dowel locations to the frame. I reamed out the tapped hls in the housing & dowelled from that location. I did not have to modify linkage to rear end .

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David B

05-05-2003 16:54:20




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 Re: Engine swap in reply to Michael R. Flaharty, 05-05-2003 13:07:02  
I think all the combines were fitted with Chrysler engines except I have saw a Hercules in a 27 . Never saw a Continental in a combine but there is alwas an exception win you think you know something.



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off the land

05-05-2003 15:05:48




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 Re: Engine swap in reply to Michael R. Flaharty, 05-05-2003 13:07:02  
Can't say this one is committed to memory. Was the
Super 26 a Chrysler? MH dropped some different
powerplants into combines. If your goal is just to
replace the tired or stuck 162 Continental engine
in your 30, any 6 cylinder should require more
frame length. If you bolt up a longer U-frame from
a 44, you will need the 23 gallon fuel tank, also.
The 6 cylinder combine probably has a larger radiator, can you retro that into your 30 support?
Clutch assembly splines may not be up to the six
cylinder power from the combine. Engine model? If
your 30 has central hydraulics, let's hope the
six is a Continental flathead. You may be building
a 44-6. Keep us posted. Good luck.

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Michael R. Flaharty

05-06-2003 11:33:09




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 Re: Re: Engine swap in reply to off the land, 05-05-2003 15:05:48  
I took a little trip today and looked at that massey harris super 26 combine. I hope it will still bolt up to my bell housing on my 30 which had the continental engine in it because as it turns out you guy's were right it's a Crysler Industrial Engine. If it's any help, i took the model #'s and serial #'s off of both the engine and the combine. The engine #'s are, Model- IND, Serial #- 56331, Type- 5A-200. The Combine #'s Are, Model#-26RT-956-917, Serial#-31876. I hope this engine will work. Thanks For your help, I'll be looking forward to your responses.

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off the land

05-07-2003 10:44:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Engine swap in reply to Michael R. Flaharty, 05-06-2003 11:33:09  
The numbers don't mean a lot, on this post. You
fail to provide some reason for this busy work. Is
the 162 Continental in your 30, blown? A 44 is easier to retro an engine into. Early 101's had
a Chrysler 6, no hydraulic. If you have hydraulic
on your 30, more detail. The combine may have a hydraulic header, but what capacity pump, for a
simple table cylinder? Unless all these parts are free, easier to drop another 162 into the 30. Why
buy non-fitting components? Fix your 162? More
information on the 30, please.

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Michael R. Flaharty

05-08-2003 08:39:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Engine swap in reply to off the land, 05-07-2003 10:44:45  
The reason i am changing the engine in my 30 is because i bought the tractor at a sale and the engine was laying on a skid in pieces all rusty like it had been laying out in the weather for years. I just figured that since i could not find another 162 continental that i would put in what i could find if it will fit which was the super 26 combine engine,which i could get for less than a hundred dollars. I am not sure if the combine has a hydraulic header or not because the head is lifted with an electric motor using linkage to raise it, and i can't figure where else they would need hydraulics so i'm assuming it doesn't have it and i didn't see a pump anywhere on it. My 30 does have hydraulics but all the parts were laying with the engine on the skid as well. I'm sure you know it is an externally mounted type but i am not sure of the capacity. IF you need to know more info than what i gave you tell me what you are looking for and i'll find out, because to be honest with you i never really messed around with massey harris tractors. As far as the engine goes the valve seats are pretty much non existant the crank is rusty and pitted, and was laying on it's side instead of standing up so it's probably warped, the cam is stuck in the block, the valves are stuck in the block as well, except for the ones i was lucky enough to get out, so i am afraid it will cost more than that engine is worth to rebuild it. Sorry i couldn't give you more info thanks for your help sofar and your patients.

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off the land

05-08-2003 10:21:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Engine swap in reply to Michael R. Flaharty, 05-08-2003 08:39:11  
I'd look for alternatives to the Chrysler combine
engine, doubt you need so many issues to solve
on a fit. They can get costly, time consuming. If
you stray from 4 cylinder 162 size block, you lose
the easiest button up. Having central hydraulics
means 1950-52 models. Was the 30 updated to 12 volt? You could not find a 162 flathead engine? The base block was the same on the 140, more-or-
less 124. These will 'look' like your 162, smaller
bore. Consider A MHF 35SP combine 140, these were
powered-up more, central hydraulics(vintage 59-64)

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Michael R. Flaharty

05-12-2003 07:53:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Engine swap in reply to off the land, 05-08-2003 10:21:14  
I was unable to find another 162 in my area for one thing because the massey harris wasn't a real popular piece of farm equipment in my area so they are hard to come by, and the tractor was not converted over to a 12 volt system. I did however have a gentleman e-mail me that found either a 162 or a 140 in the classified ads in a place called Hector,MN. He said it was in there for a price of $125.00. Is that Too Much? Were there other brands of farm equipment that used the continental engine, or other things other than farm equipment? If so mabe i can find one of them. Sorry i couldn't get back to you for a couple days. thanks again, Mike

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off the land

05-18-2003 18:01:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Engine swap in reply to Michael R. Flaharty, 05-12-2003 07:53:14  
The 140 would fit, but what vintage engine? 12volt
later series, better than a stuck rusty one. That
Classifieds section here, has the listing. Why not
get a S/N? If a no-go, find a MHF 35SP combine,
they had the hopped-up 140 powering them, '59-'64.
Hydraulic header, so central hydraulics should be
workable. The F162's were used in portable Gen sets, irrigation pumps, implement power, forklifts
You need to get S/N's to get started, avoid stuck
engines. Good luck.

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