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HOMEMADE HYDRULIC RUNNING OFF MH 44 HYD PUMP

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SHANNON BONE

04-24-2003 01:33:48




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hello again, i have question that i wanted to know... i found $75 3 1/2 ft long and 4 inches wide hydrulic clinder... do you think my mh 44 would work just fine pumping that big hydrulic clinder? wont overheating or overworking mh 44 hydrulic pump? im thinking about using it to split wood.. good idea or not?? any advice greatly appricate it! or is there pto hydrulic pump? havent seen one around here... im too broke to spend money! my wife.. you know the rest... thanks again shannon

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larry

04-25-2003 04:27:29




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 Re: HOMEMADE HYDRULIC RUNNING OFF MH 44 HYD PUMP in reply to SHANNON BONE, 04-24-2003 01:33:48  
Whenever you want to operate a hydraulic system under pressure for any length of time you have to have an oil cooler or the oil will get very, very hot. Trust me I know. How hot a MH 44 pupm can get before seal failure I do not know. I expect that it would quite high. What will happen is your hydraulic cylinder and valves will get so hot that you can put snow on them and it will sizzle like a frying pan. The only way a MH 44 would work if it was cold enough outside for the air moving over the reservoir in front of the radiator cold keep it cool enough. At this point, I hope you have A LOT of clothes on because the MH 44 pump will be so slow you will be doing a lot of standing and waiting. Now if you want to split a small amount of wood, it may work for you.

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SHANNON BONE

04-24-2003 23:47:15




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 Re: HOMEMADE HYDRULIC RUNNING OFF MH 44 HYD PUMP in reply to SHANNON BONE, 04-24-2003 01:33:48  
HEY JAMES, WHERE IS UK LOCATED AT? SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIVE PRETTY FAR AWAY.. THANKS FOR ADVICES MR SHANNON BONE



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SHANNON BONE

04-24-2003 23:43:30




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 Re: HOMEMADE HYDRULIC RUNNING OFF MH 44 HYD PUMP in reply to SHANNON BONE, 04-24-2003 01:33:48  
YEP THATS WHAT I THOUGHT...RUNS REAL SLOW BUT VERY STRONG FORCE.. THE HYDRULIC CLYINDER HAS 2 WAY LINES. I WAS JUST WORRIED ABOUT OVERWORKING THAT PUMP ON MH 44 BECAUSE OF HYD. CLYINDER SIZE..I HAVE SEEN OTHERS SAYING THAT IT WOULD BURN IT UP AND SLOWED IT DOWN AND OVERHEAT.. IM NOT QUITE SURE IF THAT WOULD HAPPEN TO MINE , I THINK THE PUMP IS RUNNING AT 1200 PSI AT ALL TIMES.. ABOUT THE LOADER THAT YOU GAVE ME ADVICE, I WAS GOING TO TRY DIG OUT THE DIRT AROUND THE STUMP, THEN USE DRAWNBAR PULLING THE STUMP OUT WITH 1 INCH STEEL CABLE IS WHAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW. BEFORE WHEN I TRY TO PULL TOO HARD IT WOULD MAKE MH 44 JUMP IN THE AIR A FOOT BECAUSE THERES NO WEIGHT ON THE 13 X 38 TIRES.. NOW I HAVE 18.9 X 38 AND WILL PLAN VERY SOON TO PUMP WATER/ACHOL. MIXTURE INTO THOSE NEW TIRES TO ADD 2400 POUNDS ON BOTH NEW TIRES.. HOPE IT SHOULD PULL ALOT MORE AND KEEP THE TRACTOR FROM JUMPING.. YA THINK IT LL WORK REAL GOOD THAN BEFORE?

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James, UK

04-25-2003 01:57:30




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 Re: Re: HOMEMADE HYDRULIC RUNNING OFF MH 44 HYD PUMP in reply to SHANNON BONE, 04-24-2003 23:43:30  
OK, your first question, UK = United Kingdom, so yes, I'm a fair way away in "Little Old England"

Your comments on adding weight to help you pull the stump out because the tractor is jumping really worry me - if you increase traction you run the risk of the tractor flipping over and crushing you - this is how many people get killed every year - the front wheels lift, the rear wheels grip, and over she goes, on top of you. Messy, and not something you want your family/loved ones to clear up.

Sorry if this sounds harsh but pulling stumps is not a job for the inexperienced, if in any doubt get someone else to do it who knows what they are doing.

Digging round the stump, and then cutting the roots before pulling the lump out of the way is much safer and would be my preferred way of doing it. Any re-growth from the roots can be poisoned easily.

I don't like using steel cable because of what happens when it parts suddenly under stress - it's like a whiplash - and will slice through whatever gets in its way. Chain will just break and then drop quickly.

From what you have said, you should seek local professional advice on the best way to tackle the job you are planning before you do yourself or anyone else some harm.

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SHANNON BONE

04-25-2003 20:32:30




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 Re: Re: Re: HOMEMADE HYDRULIC RUNNING OFF MH 44 HYD PUMP in reply to James, UK, 04-25-2003 01:57:30  
KEEP CHECKING CABLE LINES FOR NICKS OR ANYTHING ABNORMALLY , REPLACE THEM , THEY ARE RATED 30,000 POUNDS, NO WAY THE TRACTOR COULD SNAP THEM.. AS LONG YOU CHECK THE CABLE FOR RUST AND NICKS OR CUTS. THEN YOU LL BE ALRIGHT.. I DONT HAVE TIME TO DIG OR MONEY TO PAY SOMEONE ELES TO DO THIS JOB.. SO AS LONG AS YOURE CONCERNED ABOUT EVERYTHING AND YOU LL DO JUST FINE..OH YES I HEAR STORIES ABOUT TRACTORS FLIPPING OVER ALOT.. BUT HOWS THIS? WITH BLADE OR GRADER ATTACHED ON 3 POINT HITCH. THAT STICKS OUT 5 FOOT BEHIND THE REAR OF THE TRACTOR.. ITS A BIG ONE.. YOU LIFT IT ALL THE WAY UP AND IN CASE IT TRIES TO FLIP OVER, THE BLADE WOULD TOUCH THE GROUND AND STOPS THE TRACTOR FROM FLIPPING OVER... I DID THAT FEW TIMES BUT NEVER HAD THAT BLADE TOUCHED THE GROUND YET.. I JUST KNOW IF THE TRACTOR TRIES TO FLIP OVER , PUSH CLUTCH IN AND LET IT FALL DOWN.. YEP I KNOW YA AINT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT... IM TOO LAZY TO GET OFF MY BUTT AND DO SOME DIGGING HAHA BUT I DO APPRICATE YOUR FEEDBACK...

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Steven Anderson

04-25-2003 02:18:08




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 Re: Re: Re: HOMEMADE HYDRULIC RUNNING OFF MH 44 HYD PUMP in reply to James, UK, 04-25-2003 01:57:30  
Commenting on James's posts,

1, yes the 44 hydraulics will work fine, mine runs a hyd motor that turns an 8" unloading auger on a feed mill, doesn't overheat doing this.

2. My 44 has 2 hitch points, 1 very high, which keeps a PTO fairly close to in line, but should NOT be used for heavy pulling, the other is about 18" or so from the ground. This is the only place you would want to hook to for heavy pulling. Being underneath a 6000lb tractor is not the place to be. If you can't pull it, by all means find someone with a bigger machine to do it for you.

3. Most of the cylinders on my machinery are 3", 44 runs them at a good clip, much faster than my M Farmall. But 42" stroke? just wondering what you are splitting? My PTO drive splitter has a 24" stroke, and is all my stove and my back will handle.

If you'd like pics of my splitter, shoot me an e-mail. D-8 Cat pump and ram, runs off PTO, never met anything it couldn't split.

Steve NW WI

(a woodburner)

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SHANNON BONE

04-25-2003 20:23:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: HOMEMADE HYDRULIC RUNNING OFF MH 44 HYD PUMP in reply to Steven Anderson, 04-25-2003 02:18:08  
I WENT TO SALVAGE YARD, IT HAS NOTHING BUT BACK LOADERS AND ALL BIG EQUIPMENT , THIS IS ONLY ONE I CAN FIND , SOME HYDRULIC CLYINDER WERE TOO LONG TOO BIG TOO SHORT TOO WIDE TOO SMALL , THIS IS ONLY ONE I CAN FIND.. JUST SOMETHING TO DO , TO BUILD LOG SPLITTER , JUST FOR FUN BUT I GOTTA TO MAKE SURE ITS OK WITH MH 44 PUMP , IM PRETTY SURE THAT TRACTOR WONT FLIP OVER ME... HERES THE TRICK, HAVE BLADE/GRADER ATTACHED ON REAR OF THE TRACTOR, THEN THERES NO WAY YOU CAN FLIP IT OVER IF YOU GET STUCK AND MAKE IT GO UP IN THE AIR... I HAVE DONE THIS TOO MANY TIMES.. THE BLADE GOES OUT LIKE 5 FOOT.. OF COURSE IM CONCERN ABOUT MY SAFETY...I HAVE COMPETELY 3 POINT HITCH THAT GOES WITH MH 44... THERES ALOT OF TREES SURROUND THE POND.. SO THATS WHAT IM DOING, CLEARING IT OUT SO I CAN FISH THERE... THANKS FOR THE ALL ADVICES!

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James, UK

04-24-2003 04:01:08




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 Re: HOMEMADE HYDRULIC RUNNING OFF MH 44 HYD PUMP in reply to SHANNON BONE, 04-24-2003 01:33:48  
Just visiting again from the (currently quiet) Ferguson forum.

You shouldn't overheat anything - the pump in the MH should only pump at a maximum pressure before the relief valve kicks in (Check this, I don't know MHs well).

The flow rate from that pump into the ram you have may mean that with that big a bore the movement is....v..e..r..y.....s..l..o..w as a flow into the ram of, for example, 500 cc a minute on a piston surface area of 20 sq. cm will move the piston by 25cm. BUT you will get something called force multiplication because of the diameter of the piston, so the force acting on the log you are splitting will be enormous.

For example, if the pipe into the ram has a fluid cross section of 2 sq. cm, then as it is acting on a surface area of 20 sq. cm you have a force multiplication of 10. This means that if your line pressure is 2000 psi, then you can potentially get a ram force of 20,000 psi (depending on the shape and style of the splitter - it will be less as your splitter head will have a surface area acting on the log)

Only thing to do is try it - but make sure that the frame you build for the splitter is a really tough one!!!!

You will also need a return spring for the ram.

Just some thoughts . . . hope they help, sounds like a fun project.

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