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MF-35 weak hydraulics when warmed up

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OldFarmBoy Jim

09-19-2002 22:05:01




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I've been off the farm for over thirty years, so I could use some help with my new hobby, farm tractor fixing and operating.
A few months ago I pulled a MF-35 out of the weeds at the stable where I board my horse. It had been setting for at least a year. With just a little tinkering, I got it to fire up and run poorly. A little more tinkering and a carb. rebuild has it running fair to middling, now.
The current problem is that the 3 point doesn't seem to work well. If I keep the position control lever (PCL) in the response sector, I can raise and lower the 3 point. After operating for about 15 minutes, the raising part gets to be less and less. The box blade or drag, whichever I happen to be using, hardly clears the ground when I try to raise it. If I put the PCL up into the "position" sector, the linkage gets jammed and I can't move the PCL back into the "down" area until I shut everything down, take off the inspection plate, and fiddle with the linkage while moving the PCL bac and forth. The draft control lever doesn't seem to do do anything, it doesn't seem to move the control valve roller as far rearward as the PCL does. Any and all suggestions will be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
JIM

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Don

09-21-2002 21:08:48




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 Re: MF-35 weak hydraulics when warmed up in reply to OldFarmBoy Jim, 09-19-2002 22:05:01  
Hi Jim.

I'm taking for granted that you have the correct amount of fluid in the system as either too much or too little can cause cavitation, which could produce the symptom you describe.

Second, it seems unlikely that a misadjustment by itself would cause a problem to show up ONLY after the fluid warms up. It would likely be a problem ALL the time.

You have most likely already picked up on WHAT generally is the problem. Narrowing it down to the specific problem part(s) is what needs doing now.

If you haven't already done so, what I would try first is to run it until it warms up, without putting any load on it at all and then raise and lower a load, such as your box blade, to see if the problem is any different then from when you're working. If no difference, at least you know that some sort of kickback into the hydraulic/mechanical parts from the ground contact isn't complicating your diagnosis.

Based on personal experiences with varying degrees of worn parts and mysteriously failing hydraulics, both 3 pt. and steering, it seems likely that what you have is a leakback situation in the pressure side of the hydraulic circuit which worsens as the VISCOSITY of the fluid decreases when warmed up. This could be caused by several things, some cheap to fix, others quite expensive.

My best guess would be that either the seal(s)hardened up from sitting too long or that there is some rust/pitting in the hydraulic cylinder that chewed them up when you first started using it or both.

Fixing it MAY be as cheap and simple as: 1: replacing your fluid with a heavier wt. fluid (if the fluid that is in there now is too thin for even new parts to hold pressure it will act that way whenever it warms up); 2 tightening a loose or cracked internal connection; 3: clearing the filter to stop cavitation; 4: getting new "o" rings and piston seal(s) to seal internal leaks; 5: a light honing of the lift cylinder.

If you get past all of those cheap and straightforward things without curing the problem, it is likely to be expensive.

As encouragement to you, I'm currently using a Ford 2000 diesel that had a COMPLETELY non functioning 3-pt lift when I got it (mainly for its commercial ft end loader). This one also sat a year or more. It really only needed a thorough cleaning out and degunking of the hydraulic fluid and filter, some elbow grease and a light hand honing of the hyd. cyl. bore and a new piston seal to fix it, but since it was apart anyway, I had grease fittings and new bushings put in the cover for the rockshaft. One piece gaskets are a pain for a heavy cover such as the Ford uses, but having just removed a large quantity of silicone caulk type Form-a-gasket from the pick up filter, I chose not to repeat the experience anytime soon and used a stamped gasket. This one still has a small amount of leakback, but it really only shows up significantly when I'm hauling a water tank (1200#+) and running at low engine speed.
good luck

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mike

09-19-2002 23:18:17




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 Re: MF-35 weak hydraulics when warmed up in reply to OldFarmBoy Jim, 09-19-2002 22:05:01  
put the draft control all the way back on the quadrant control. Next use your pcl to pick up ann move things about , now lets start over the Ferguson System is a little different. On th quadrant control use your pcl all the way back to a small stop. do not pass this or your pump will not stop and there will be no 3 point sensing of your hydraulics.Now note on the quadrant control where it says draft and place your draft lever there. Now to Hook up you may have to play around with your setting a little bit but if you learn to use your draft your tractor and you will strain much less. there are some "final Adjustments"that may be out of wack they are mainly done by raising the lift and scribing lines on the rock shaft etc. I'm not sure on a 35 they are described in detail in a manuel. Unless you have excessive wear in your pump Scotch yoke. you are off and running. By the way the lift arms are designed to bleed down even when position is up and tractor is at full stop. good luck

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