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MF35, Engine Oil Pressure Question

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Chuck, WA

09-05-2002 06:13:15




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I bought my MF35 diesel last spring. The tractor has a little over 5000 hours on it - engine rebuilt along the way, but I don't know how many hours ago.

I've followed the oil change schedule suggested in the manual using the recommended oil - think it was 5W20 - maybe 5W30...I'm writing this from work, not home, and don't remember.

Recently I've noticed that the oil pressure shown on the gauge starts off at about mid-range in the Normal range, but as it warms, it drops to just barely into the low end of Normal. I would expect it to drop as the temp goes up and oil thins, but since it is so close to the bottom of the normal range, I've been a little concerned.

Is this a concern, and if so, does it just suggest using a higher viscosity oil in the summer, or other problems? Temps around here have been running in the 90s up to a little over a hundred. The temp gauge says the engine coolant is running mid to high normal, but not high enough to be concerned.

Thanks!

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owain iago

09-08-2002 14:46:41




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 Re: MF35, Engine Oil Pressure Question in reply to Chuck, WA, 09-05-2002 06:13:15  
Check the grade of oil by asking your oil supplier as you dont need a heavy detergent oil for this engine, therewere a batch of clocks that did play up so check the clock. I swaped a clock which was showing a fall that concerned me the tractor has done a lot of work since with no probs.
The style of pump - eaton is a style used previously on the grey fergies which have been known to fail. The result with a total fail is a siezed engine unless you are lucky enough to spot the guage. The eaton pump is easy to replace and rather than replace more components just drop the sump and you can just replace the inner and outer lobes in the same housing - just check the amount of wear in the housing by inspection. Start by checking the oil grade.

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Peter Suttmeier

09-18-2002 20:23:39




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 Re: Re: MF35, Engine Oil Pressure Question in reply to owain iago, 09-08-2002 14:46:41  
My 35 Perkins @ 3500 hrs starts in the green but drops to near red as she warms up. That's with Shell Rotella non-detergent 30W. Called lubricant supplier, they suggested Shell Rotella T 40W, which is a detergent grade. They said I must be careful when starting by keeping it above 32F. I was mistakenly given 15W40 and when I called to explain the supplier indicated that it was lighter than the 30W and I was to exchange it for the 40W. Hope to examine the pump soon. Also, is it wise to seek a conversion to allow use of spin-on filters and discontinue the cartridge? Tractor has front end loader and working around it to change the filter is a pain and has caused me to occasionally pinch the gasket and spill oil.

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Chuck, WA

09-08-2002 07:23:18




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 Re: MF35, Engine Oil Pressure Question in reply to Chuck, WA, 09-05-2002 06:13:15  
Hmmm...various advice. Not that I'd differ with any of you as I'm a newbie, but here's where I am coming from. In my 6.2L diesel Suburban, I always used Castrol 30 wt. When it was hit and totalled last winter, it was still going strong at nearly 250,000 miles. So, right from the first, my inclination was to go with Castrol 30W.

The MF35 diesel manual says...
30W above 90-deg temp
20W or 20/20W at 32-90 deg
10W at 10 deg
5W or 5W/20 at -10 deg.

I asked the question on this site when I first got the tractor, and if I recall, the reason I'm using what I am is because that's what I was told by somebody on this site.

I've only changed oil once, at 100 hrs and am coming up on the next change now - haven't had the tractor that long and don't use it as much as if I was full time farming. My practice is always to change the filkter with each oil change, and at least in my cars and trucks, I usualyy use the better grade of Fram filter. Can anybody give me a Fram number for the MF35 diesel with spin-on adapter?

My inclination was to stick with Castrol 30W. Our temps here run 90-100 deg most of the summer with occasional to 110 deg. In the winter, it's typically 20-40 deg, but I've seen up to a few days running at -25 deg, but that's only happened twice that I remember since the late 60s, and not being a full time farmer, not likely I'd choose to be out working in that weather, and I expect to have the tractor in a barn come winter.

Bottom line - other than oil weight, sounds like I'm doing it about right. I'll switch to 30W and stick with it.

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Not Rated for Diesel

09-10-2002 06:02:35




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 Re: Re: MF35, Engine Oil Pressure Question in reply to Chuck, WA, 09-08-2002 07:23:18  
Use 15W40 diesel rated oil. Delvac 1300, Shell rotella, or others which show certified for diesel on the can. If the oil can does not show the diesel rating, then it does not have soot control additives, and may not stant up to the high compression in the diesel engine.



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Tom-TX

09-06-2002 04:42:48




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 Re: MF35, Engine Oil Pressure Question in reply to Chuck, WA, 09-05-2002 06:13:15  
My 2 Cents: Change your oil and filter. Use 15W40 Mobil Delvac 1300. Available at AutoZone parts stores. Use a good quality filter. Your problems will be over. Change oil and filter every 100 hours or when the oil looks like it needs it. Many will say you can go 250 hours, but what does an oil/filter change cost campared to a rebuild?? If you don't want to use the Delvac 1300, then use andy good 15W40 rated for Diesel engines such as Shell Rotella.

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Richard

09-05-2002 16:59:29




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 Re: MF35, Engine Oil Pressure Question in reply to Chuck, WA, 09-05-2002 06:13:15  
5W/20 seems a bit light unless you are in a very cold climate I use 15W/40.



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Chip

09-05-2002 07:13:03




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 Re: MF35, Engine Oil Pressure Question in reply to Chuck, WA, 09-05-2002 06:13:15  
I've never heard of using 5w in a diesel, I use HD 30wt. I think you'll find your pressure will be much improved.



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chuckcat4

09-05-2002 22:50:46




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 Re: Re: MF35, Engine Oil Pressure Question in reply to Chip, 09-05-2002 07:13:03  
5W-10 10W-30 10W-40 AND SO ON ARE OILS MADE FOR YUPE'S WHO TAKE AN ENGINE FROM A HEATED GARAGE TO THE WOODS IN THE SNOW SO IT GOES FROM 75-80 TO 10-20 BELOW ZERO THIS OIL WILL COVER A WIDE RANGE OF TEMP BUT SAE 30 OR SAE 40 IS A MORE STABLE OIL FOR A TRACTOR MABE SAE 20 IN WINTER ALSO PUT IN A GAGE THAT READS IN PSI AND SEE WHAT IT SAYS IF LOW YOU MAY HAVE A BLOWEN GASKIT ON OIL PUMP SO ITS BLEADING INTERNALY AND HD MEANS HIGH DETERGENT NOT HEVYDUTY SO IF YOUR ENGINE HAS SOFT VALVE SEATS STAY WITH NON-DETERGENT AND YOUR 5W-? IS TO THIN RUN SAE40 IN THAT 85-100
WEATHER WHEN IT COOLS OFF AND IT STARTS TO ROLL OVER HARD AT START UP SWITCH TO A LIGTHER OIL
AND CHANGE THAT OIL FILTER EVERY OIL CHANGE NOT EVERY OTHER I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IDEA EVER CAME FROM PAY NOW OR PAY MORE LATER WHEN YOU SPIN A MAIN BEARING! GOOD LUCK!

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Hal

09-08-2002 18:37:16




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 Re: Re: Re: MF35, Engine Oil Pressure Question in reply to chuckcat4, 09-05-2002 22:50:46  
Oil has nothing to do with valve seats. Do like Tom-TX says, use Delvac, Rotella, Pennzoil, Delo, etc 15W-40, Walmart has them all, even Chevron and their own house brand, even synthetic 15W-40 if you want to pay the price. For a diesel you want an oil that says it is for service CH-4, it must have the "C" in it for diesel service.

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