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Differences In Diesel Fuels?

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Wayne in Tn.

08-07-2001 18:26:49




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I have '66 MF 135 diesel.I was recently told by a friend,with a JD diesel,that a local farmers coop has a red colored fuel that is for off -road use and is better for tractors and their engines. I have been using #2 @ pumps. Any thoughts?




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Randy

08-11-2001 21:09:04




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 Re: Differences In Diesel Fuels? in reply to Wayne in Tn., 08-07-2001 18:26:49  
Here in Ontario, Canada, red diesel is for off road(farm included) use. It has a higher sulfur content (0.5% max.) than on road, clear, uncolored diesel. The low sulfur fuel has had problems with a lack of lubricity, causing pump failures, but an additive package is added nowadays to cure that. The red fuel lubricates better due to the higher sulfur, but burns dirtier. Newer equipment is made to handle low sulfur diesel, because some fuels don't lubricate as well as others. Use red fuel in your older machines. Trust me, I work in an oil refinery, running a unit that makes the low sulfur diesel. Low sulfur diesel has a sulfur content of 0.05% max. I assume the diesel situation is similar in your neck of the woods.

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ferrell freeman

08-09-2001 08:13:51




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 Re: Differences In Diesel Fuels? in reply to Wayne in Tn., 08-07-2001 18:26:49  
I,hate to disagree with ROD but he, is wrong according to my, copy of the CHEVRON PRODUCTS SALESFAX DIGEST DATED1999 on page #253 chevron hs diesel fuel is higher in sulfur and on page #255 is lower in sulfur to meet the highway diesel specification #ASTMD975. Iam, IN NO WAY CONNECTED WITH OR TO THEM . I,was one of the people who had injection pump failures IHC TD9s and some CAT D4s 78 series crawler/dozers ,I,know that most of these were tractors over 25to 30 years old that is why I, didnot say much in my first(re)because every time I,think about it I,get mad.

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ROD

08-09-2001 07:18:33




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 Re: Differences In Diesel Fuels? in reply to Wayne in Tn., 08-07-2001 18:26:49  
THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO FUELS. THE OFF ROAD DIESEL HAS A RED DYE PUT IN IT TO ALLOW THE D.O.T. BOYS TO CATCH YOU WHEN YOU RUN IT IN YOUR DIESEL TRUCK ON THE HI-WAY. BIG FINES AND POSSIBLE JAIL TIME IF YOUR CAUGHT. THE OFF-ROAD DIESEL IS QUITE A BIT CHEAPER BECAUSE YOU DON'T PAY THE HI-WAY USAGE TAXES TACKED ON BY STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS. USE AS YOU PLEASE.



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ste cunningham

01-27-2005 12:11:17




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 Re: Re: Differences In Diesel Fuels? in reply to ROD, 08-09-2001 07:18:33  
can you tell me what chemical is the red dye



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ferrell freeman

08-09-2001 04:16:49




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 Re: Differences In Diesel Fuels? in reply to Wayne in Tn., 08-07-2001 18:26:49  
The off road or red diesel has sulfur in older diesel engines this is used to to lubercaite the fuel injection pumps .Some people run the non sulfur fuel and never have a problem .There have those who operate their equipment for long hours every day who have injection pumps fail from lack of the sulfur .If you, run highway diesel ,make additives to add to the fuel to prevent pump problems.



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Bill

08-08-2001 18:02:24




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 Re: Differences In Diesel Fuels? in reply to Wayne in Tn., 08-07-2001 18:26:49  
Hi, I have used both. Use to buy mine at the filling station before I got a 250 gal tank so I could purchase the non taxed fuel. Its a lot more convenient not to carry cans back in forth to the station. In Md. you have to apply for a permit to get Nontaxed fuel and sign your life away that you are using it off road. The amount you use will determine if you want to go this route. Bill



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bbott

08-08-2001 12:55:49




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 Re: Differences In Diesel Fuels? in reply to Wayne in Tn., 08-07-2001 18:26:49  
Hard to say.. there actually are some high-sulfur off-road fuels still around.... you'd have to talk to the supplier to find out for sure what they had.

But I'd guess most likely what they have is #2 diesel with the 'non-taxed fuel' dye in it.

Lots cheaper without the highway taxes... but don't put it in any highway rigs, especially commercial.

If the cops sample your fuel and see color, it's 'get your wallet out or go to jail time'.

bb

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marlowe

08-07-2001 19:08:42




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 Re: Differences In Diesel Fuels? in reply to Wayne in Tn., 08-07-2001 18:26:49  
in wi. the red fuel is off road we pay no fed.hy. tax on it some thing like 33 cents a gal.and no state if it is for farm use. if for ind. or con. use we pay the state sales tax 5 to 5.6 per. cent a gal. in wi. diesel hy. is 149.9 of road 119.9 as to the fuel typ the stuff is the same other then the dye so says my shell dealer



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