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Massey Harris Pony Generator

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Joe in NY

05-02-2001 14:26:24




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I'm working on a 1949 Pony for a friend. It has a manual voltage regulator. (lights or no lights)
The system doesn't charge. If I manually close the contacts on the cut-out relay on the generator
the wire from the amature to the battery heats up.
I'm thinking the armature may be shorted.

Or could the manual control be the problem causing the generator out-put to increase to that point of heating the wire. Any suggestions are welcome.
This guy has owned this tractor from day one.
Ya gotta love a guy like that.
Thanks in advance,
Joe in NY

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Ken in NY

05-16-2001 07:02:20




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 Re: Massey Harris Pony Generator in reply to Joe in NY, 05-02-2001 14:26:24  
Another bit of info...from a different Ken

Before you replace any parts, take a look at the articles on this web site and read about how the 3-brush generators work - excellent information.

After this, check a couple of things - the obvious is the brushes, there is a strap around a gasket at the brush end of the generator, taking this off allows you to look
inside. You can check/replace the brushes here also with care clean the commutator, I used 0000 steel wool with great care not to leave any inside.

An air nozzle on a compressed air source works well to clean it out also (I found out
my Pony did service on a tobacco farm here, had about a quarter pound of tobacco inside).

But check this first, it may be a very easy fix...

On the light/generator switch there is an assembly lug that is soldered to one of the contacts - if this comes loose the generator will not charge anything. There is no true regulator, the box on the side of the generator is a cutout relay for switching off the generator at low engine speed (low generator output).
The regulation is done by grounding of the 3rd brush circuit either through a resistor
for low charge (3A) or directly for high charge (about 10A).

This grounding can be interrupted either by this lug coming loose/unsoldered from the
contact, or by corrosion around the hole the switch is inserted through the instrument panel. You may be back in service by simply fixing the grounding in the switch.

Hope this helps -- Ken

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Ken

05-13-2001 14:38:39




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 Re: Massey Harris Pony Generator in reply to Joe in NY, 05-02-2001 14:26:24  
My pony has a three brush Auto-lite generator with a simple regulator. To test the generator on the tractor just ground the "Field" terminal (smallest one if not marked) of the generator with a jumper wire with the engine running at a fast idle speed. With the terminal grounded it should charge at it's max ability. If it charges get a new regulator. If you have no charge take the gen. to a reliable generator repair shop. Then test the system with a working gen. If you get the gen. repaired you will have to polerize it when reinstalled. To do that just MOMENTARLY flash the gen. armature terminal with a hot wire from the battery. Good luck from an old retired mechanic. Ken

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