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JD 500C Backhoe
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low compression?

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john stevenson

02-11-2003 12:54:31




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Hello All,

I was wonderng if you could provide me with some advice. I have a 1973 500C backhoe, and at the time of purchase 2 years ago, it just had a newer (used) motor put in it. The fellow I bought it from bought a used farm (dyno specs were near new)tractor motor complete, and installed it. He showed me the bill for the motor alone it was near 7000.00 Can$ with frieght.

The reason I write this is:

1) I cannot seem to get the beast started without ether. In summer or winter. In winter, if it is not plugged in, it is much much worse. After it has run for a minute or two, it will start easily with no ether.

I recently discovered that I can start it wihtout the hydr pump engaged. That makes a definite difference, but i still need ether. A friend of mine told me I need ether all the time because I have low compresson (rings are shot), but I dont think this is true because it seems to have plenty of power when runnning. ????

2) I live in northern Canada and I have decided to try running Chevron Delo 5/40 synthetic oil for easier starting on this backhoe and my elderly (1955) tractor. The same fellow I bought the hoe from said to always use 15/40 wieght oil in it. What are your opinions on this situation. I would feel pretty stupid if I were to do some serious damage to either motor from using this synthetic oil.

3) Hydraulic hoses on the backhoe are in pretty bad shape. I have some fairly big plans this summer for it, and was going to change some hoses now, before they broke when I least needed a breakdown (and 45 min drive to town one way). Is this a good idea, or should I just wait until they break? Does a guy ever regularly replace these things? Some of the hoses have no outer rubber left, and the metal braiding is visible. I guess it would make sense to replace the ones that are weeping first.

ok, thats enough for now. Thank you, hope your winter is going well.

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adam

07-06-2004 20:43:37




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 Re: JD 500C Backhoe - low compression? in reply to john stevenson, 02-11-2003 12:54:31  
hi it is better to have a heavyer motor oil in it because the engine goes under alot of stress when it works so hard so it needs a strengthed oil and you should change all your hoses as soon as you can becase if some of your hoses are bad then the rest sre bound to break soon and it is a saftey issue because they will burst if you are working when it happens and you will lose all the hydrolic fluid to the backhoe and the front loader and and you can't move any of them. tellme how it works out.

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JJ

02-14-2003 07:27:46




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 Re: JD 500C Backhoe - low compression? in reply to john stevenson, 02-11-2003 12:54:31  
I agree with Nate. I had the same starting problem and also a newer motor in mine.
First off I'm sure your colder in Canada then here in PA. This is what I did and it starts up now in below O temps in one shot.
I got a new 12v battery a good brand and I dissconnect it when I am not using the backhoe and keep it in the warm house on a trickle charger. Or you can buy a battery warmer. I also got a new block heater and it is plugged in all the time. They say it needs about 10 hours before you want to run. I changed the oil and filter, air filter also.
I personally would drain that oil and put in a good oil made for a desiel.
Mine starts great now and I dO NOT have any smoke black or white! With a newer motor and when things are set up right you should not get any smoke at all! If it don't start in the summer I think you could be just running off your battery, it is not charging like it should. Test for that.
Yes fix the hoses before you get water in the lines and that will freeze on you also.
Good luck.

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JJ

02-14-2003 07:33:53




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 Re: Re: JD 500C Backhoe - low compression? in reply to JJ, 02-14-2003 07:27:46  
Also make sure your fuel is not jelling. Add some non jelling additive in your tank.



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Nate in IA

02-13-2003 16:05:48




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 Re: JD 500C Backhoe - low compression? in reply to john stevenson, 02-11-2003 12:54:31  
Ever try an engine or block heater and a bigger battery. If you needed used engine parts for it I have a complete non-running one. The dampner exploded. Took out seven teeth on the $2000 dollar 100hr old crankshaft.



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G Taylor......gotta have lots of rpms

02-12-2003 14:59:45




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 Re: JD 500C Backhoe - low compression? in reply to john stevenson, 02-11-2003 12:54:31  
Destroking the hydraulic pump and getting better starting is a hint towards limited cranking power. Even if compression is excellent, if the pressure isn't achieved fast enough the air is heated less and there is more time for the heat to soak into the cold cylinder walls. That's one reason why a even a worn diesel will start in cold weather if towed fast enough. What is the battery cranking voltage from post to post, not clamp to clamp. Then what is cranking voltage from the starter body to the main threaded power post on the starter? It may ever have a gas starter or been rebuilt with low torque windings.

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Jonathan

02-11-2003 13:21:37




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 Re: JD 500C Backhoe - low compression? in reply to john stevenson, 02-11-2003 12:54:31  
Does it smoke white when cranking it over starting cold ?? If so , The low compression theory may well be correct, as it is a used engine...Even though it runs ok when started...There are adapters made that fit in the injector bores to connect to a compression gauge...and if you go that route, bring the injectors to a reputable dealer etc to have them tested...this is all cheap and simple before diving into a rebuild...I seriously don't think the engine oil has anything to do with it...if anything, check your air intake...filter etc, for any source of dust entry points.... As far as the hoses are concerned....wouldnt hurt to replace a few at a time...after all they'll only break when you are using it and that is usually at the worst time !!!

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john stevenson

02-11-2003 14:56:21




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 Re: Re: JD 500C Backhoe - low compression? in reply to Jonathan, 02-11-2003 13:21:37  
Thanks for the advice Jonathin,

No, it does not smoke white when cranking over - it blows black smoke (not a huge amount - unburnt fuel?), but I usualyy have the hand throttle set at 3/4 and give a good shoot of ether. I have to repeat his process about 3 times before the motor will stay running after backing off the throttle. I just replaced air filter. Maybe I'll replace fuel filter too , and have a look at the injectors. Roughly how much should one expect for an injector re&re?

I also wanted to ask where would a guy get a compression tester for a diesel - something that would go above 400 psi for a reasonable price?

As well, I forgot to ask, I got given a good pair of grader chains for this machine, but cant use them due to lack of clearance between the inside tire and cab fender wall. I was told to look for some spacers, but when I called the JD dealer, he said they never made spacers for this model. All I need is about a 3/4 inch. Any ideas?

Thanks again,
john

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Jonathan

02-12-2003 12:42:26




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 500C Backhoe - low compression? in reply to john stevenson, 02-11-2003 14:56:21  
If it doesn't smoke when cranking over it may simply be that the fuel is draining back out of the lines when it sits. Check/replace the fuel filter. Also check/replace the spring clip that retains the filter to the base...I'm assuming its the square type glass filter ?? Check the fuel lines and fittings on the tank side of the fuel transfer pump...Usually the fitting that is screwed into the transfer pump is loose and can take another turn (remember to hold the square fitting on the transfer pump with a wrench while tightening the fitting) If it has a rubber line supplying fuel from the tank to the transfer pump replace it....Suction side air leaks will not usually show up as fuel dripping but will let air be drawn in when the engine is running. The transfer pump has a check valve in it also that only lets fuel flow in the positive direction.. If it was low compression , then you would be getting white , unburnt fuel smoke(lots of it) coming out of the exhaust when cranking it over...so there may be hope yet !!! The black is just the ether burning..

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