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Deere Co. selling out??

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Tyler, MO

02-09-2003 18:15:11




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**I do not in any way intend to offend anyone by this**

I was consulting my Ag-Business Management professor the other day about internships(of which I am required to complete 2 before I graduate). I asked him if Deere does internships and that I have wanted to work for them all of my life. He told me to forget about it because deere wants to get out of the tracor business. He explained that demanding stockholders want more dividends which may mean that Deere&Co will have to cut out implements and large machinery to concentrate on more profitable ventures. He told me that AGCO has made 2 seperate offers to buy Deere's AG tractor lines(which deere declined). Also, he said that the President of Deere&Co. has mentioned this in some investor meetings in the recent past. He told me that unless I liked dealing with lawnmowers and small utility equipment I shouldn't bother with Deere &Co.

I was appalled to hear this.....
Maybe I'm too naive to comprehend that Deere&Co. could even consider this....but it got me thinking to get some other opinions. Is the bottom line worth more than the reputation?? I hope not, but I fear so...

**Again, I didn't mean to alarm or offend anyone, I just wanted to know if anyone else has information or opinions about this...
I hope that I wouldn't have to work for AGCO to be around what I enjoy....Green Tractors

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DAVE M

02-10-2003 09:33:32




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 Re: Deere Co. selling out?? in reply to Tyler, MO, 02-09-2003 18:15:11  
They have stopped production of any sickle bar
mower, and mower condtioner. Models 350,450, 710,720,820,1600a,In favor of disc type mowers.



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Larry

02-10-2003 09:00:23




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 Re: Deere Co. selling out?? in reply to Tyler, MO, 02-09-2003 18:15:11  
Tyler, I see you have received a variety of opinions which is typical. For my two cents I don't think Deere will be selling their tractor line in the foreseable future. In regards to the internship, go for it. You can go to their websight, click on job opportunities, and search. They were looking for several interns just a few weeks ago. Generally they want someone who is in their last year or two of school. Check the websight.

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Larry

02-10-2003 05:09:44




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 Re: Deere Co. selling out?? in reply to Tyler, MO, 02-09-2003 18:15:11  
I seriously doubt if we'll see anything like your teacher suggests. Got the annual report last week and was really amazed to look at it, normally its a glossy color thing, with lots of interesting pictures of JD equipment at work and explanations, this year however, it showed only 2 pictures--one with all the top brass standing on and around it, and one of a JD silage chopper cutting hay and a JD tractor loading a wagon beside it. The theme of this years annual report was "building a business as good as our products". It was even printed on pretty basic paper (which I'm sure was to give the impression of saving money). I'll bet you'll be seeing JD farm equipment 100 years from now. One thing that did strike me was that they are talking about selling equipment in China and Europe and South America, I guess that may be, or hold as much or more promise for them than here.

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Steve - IN

02-10-2003 05:45:17




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 Re: Re: Deere Co. selling out?? in reply to Larry, 02-10-2003 05:09:44  
Larry,
You're right, but better to have them making money with a plain jane annual report than losing money (like 2001) with a fancy annual report.

You might have also noticed the ballot for election of directors included the former CEO of BMW, Joachim Millberg - obviously a German - and indicative that they see more growth outside the USA. Annual meeting is Feb 26, we'll see what happens.

Steve

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Tyler, MO

02-10-2003 11:20:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Deere Co. selling out?? in reply to Steve - IN, 02-10-2003 05:45:17  
Yes, that would be interesting since I have German and AgBusiness majors. I would be able to envision myself working for Deere&Co. in the Euorpean sector. Who knows?
I sure didn't want my post to cause a lot of havoc, I just wanted to get more input on the issue. Thanks for your well laid out response.
Tyler



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Steve - IN

02-10-2003 02:51:15




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 Re: Deere Co. selling out?? in reply to Tyler, MO, 02-09-2003 18:15:11  
Tyler,
Maybe someone - your management professor included - should take a look at the numbers.

For 2002 Deere's revenues were 13.9 billion - nearly half of that, or 6.738 billion were from AG equipment which alone generated an operating profit of 439 million. By comparison AGCO's results for the year were 2.541 billion in revenue, an 88 million net income which became an 84 million dollar loss after accounting charges.

So ask yourself - 1: Why would Deere want to sell off a business that generates half their revenue and is by itself far more profitable than AGCO. 2: What band of fools is going to lend AGCO 6 or 7 billion to buy Deere's AG business as AGCO already has 86 cents of debt for every dollar in assets they control.

Deere has underperformed the S&P 500 over the last 15 years -but it's done better than the S&P over the last 2 years - so the shareholders aren't that unhappy right now. Meanwhile the numbers of farms keeps declining worldwide - so Deere knows that the AG tractor business is going to evolve into an arena where they'll sell 1 quarter of a million dollar monster tractor instead of ten 4020 types.

Net, net, Deere will be in the AG business for a long time to come - so if you want to give that internship a try, best thing to do is get in touch with Deere.

Steve

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I don't think I'd worry TOO much...........

02-09-2003 21:06:15




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 Re: Deere Co. selling out?? in reply to Tyler, MO, 02-09-2003 18:15:11  
The day a bunch of losers like AGCO can afford to buy out Deere & Company will be a cold day in Hades. On the other hand, the current management of Deere doesn't have the first clue about the heritage of Deere, doesn't care, and the CEO would sell Deere down the river in a heartbeat, if a good enough deal could be struck for the stockholders. Current Deere management has forgotten how Deere got to be #1---by taking care of the dealers and the customers----and that by doing so, the stockholders will be taken care of as well. It's certainly conceivable that Deere could be sold at some point----but not to AGCO, who has a lousy dealer network, way too many lines of tractors and equipment, and inferior products----a more likely scenario is AGCO buying CNH---which will just add to the mess.

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I see you are a windbag that doesn't know much

02-10-2003 05:40:33




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 Re: Re: Deere Co. selling out?? in reply to I don't think I'd worry TOO much..........., 02-09-2003 21:06:15  
about agco products.



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Ray

02-09-2003 19:14:48




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 Re: Deere Co. selling out?? in reply to Tyler, MO, 02-09-2003 18:15:11  
Yes,could be,Deere has been losing money with
the ag line for some time now,industrial,lawn
and garden plus other ventures tied to Cat and
GM make the money.



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