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Engine cutting out/JD MT

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tom

02-09-2003 08:11:36




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Have completely rebuilt the TSX-245 carb to man. spec...B4 rebuild, MT would start fine and run fine for about 5-10 minutes, then start cutting out, especially in 4th gear...after rebuild, starts fine, runs ok for awhile[5 minutes] then starts to cut out again while in gear running[same as B4]. When clutch is put in, can revive engine rpm's, but tractor still cuts-in-and-out when put back into [any] gear. Fuel is new, good flow from tank to carb drain cock for 35+ sec's, plugs are new Champ H10C's set @ .025, 2 spark plug wires are new. Need any more info., please advise. Thanks in-advance!!

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CPeter

02-09-2003 15:02:01




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 Re: Engine cutting out/JD MT in reply to tom, 02-09-2003 08:11:36  
While I have not had has much experience as Wayne or Clooney, I have has 40s and 420s for over thirty years and suffered for many of those years with this same problem. Rebuilding the carb did help some, but the problem was still there. Last fall, I decided to find out what the real problem was. Bad fuel flow and too cold an engine (winter only). Something in the tank had gotten into the fuel inlet and would from time to time block it. Your thirty five seconds seems long enough to eliminate that, but it still seems like fuel flow. After it starts the primary voltage to the coil should go up and eliminate ingition problems. Also, the fact that the problem started after you rebuilt the carb, really leads to that. BTW, is the venturi in right side up? I can't remember, but it seems like they can be put in upside down. How about a missing gasket between the carb and manifold. I have done all the above when distracted while putting them back together. Please keep us informed as to what you find so we can learn from it.

CPeter

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tom

02-09-2003 16:13:41




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 Re: Re: Engine cutting out/JD MT in reply to CPeter, 02-09-2003 15:02:01  
I noticed in a carb rebuild manual they said to note [by dot] the venturi, mine was in good enough shape that it could only fit one way...the manifold and carb does has a new gasket...I also tried taking the air-intake filter off and that seemed to help a little, but the problem keep coming back. Regarding the gas tank, I took the four bolts out that hold it in and disconnected the fuel bowl and ran varsol into the tank and swished it around...got a little sand, but nothing bigger...has a new bowl screen and gasket from JD...thanks CPeter

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CPeter

02-09-2003 16:36:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Engine cutting out/JD MT in reply to tom, 02-09-2003 16:13:41  
Keep us informed. I have three of these and always want to learn more about how they do and don't work.

CPEter



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tom

02-09-2003 17:07:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Engine cutting out/JD MT in reply to CPeter, 02-09-2003 16:36:30  
Peter,

Right now, I have plenty of "how they don't work!" Trying to even the score...will keep you posted.



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Dave C

02-09-2003 14:41:18




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 Re: Engine cutting out/JD MT in reply to tom, 02-09-2003 08:11:36  
I have a model 40.Had a similar problem last year.My air intake was clogged,try running it without the cleaner connected if you haven't allready.Worked for me!



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Gary

02-09-2003 12:03:38




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 Re: Engine cutting out/JD MT in reply to tom, 02-09-2003 08:11:36  
I would go for the ignition end, considering the route(s) you have already. I have found condensers bad out of the box. And these little poppers have to have good plugs. Your H-10 sounds right, but, I would have to agree that .025 plug gap is too close even though that's what the operators manual calls for (yep, I do have one that I bought a few years ago along withsome other odd ones (like an old 830 and a 50 Lp) that the people who ordered had never picked up) Anyway, the 140 IH operators manual says .023 on their plugs, but, I haven't been able to get to even hit with that setting.

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Rutter

02-09-2003 10:35:58




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 Re: Engine cutting out/JD MT in reply to tom, 02-09-2003 08:11:36  
I had a similar problem with my 3020 gas. I rebuilt and would experience this on again and off again. Problem always disappeared after changing the condensor. But this always occurred again after a month or two.

I then decided that the coil had to be the culprit so I changed it out and my problem seems to have diappeared. The coil appeared to break down once an a while and must not have been developing enough causing coil breakdown. try a new coil I think this may help solve your problem if the consensor replacement does'nt. Also since you rebuilt carb make sure float height is correct????

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John T

02-09-2003 09:07:41




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 Re: Engine cutting out/JD MT in reply to tom, 02-09-2003 08:11:36  
Mornin Tom, well often a problem under load indicates a fuel starvation problem, but if the carb was rebuilt properly and settign the load needle a tad richer doesnt bring her to her milk, it may be an ignition problem.

To proceed in the simplest cheapest manner, inspect the ignition points to check the proper gap and MAKE SURE thay are not pitted or burned or corroded or oxidized. If any of those conditions are present, you might first try a light not too abrasive cleaning and re gapping, or replace them. Inspect the cap for any cracks or carbon paths. You might try cleaning the plugs and/or widen their gap to 0.028. If the carb settign or light choking still dont help things and the points are clean and gapped and she cuts out only after warmed up, you might next try a new condensor. Bad switches can cause a problem, so try the simple direct hot wire (from battery, eliminating the ignitiion switch) to the coils high (non distributor) side like we have posted many times below and see if she runs okay then after warmed up.

Bottom line first suspects if not a carb problem are bad ignition switches or their wiring, bad points, bad condensors then maybe coil. Are the plugs gray color or a dry flat black sooty or shiny wet black looking after this happens ????? ????? If dry flat black sooty, you might need to lean the power jet and insure the choke butterfly plate is opertating properly.

Good Luck n God Bless, let us all know. Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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02-09-2003 09:26:12




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 Re: Re: Engine cutting out/JD MT in reply to John T, 02-09-2003 09:07:41  
Thanks John...I have noticed that the plugs [brand new ones] after some usage are very carboned dark black...although I have not had the opportunity to run the MT under any heavy loading, thus higher temperatures to burn the carbon off--the best runs have been in 3rd and 4th gears until she starts cutting...I will keep you and the team posted on the next round of tests and results...thx again.



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Clooney

02-09-2003 08:40:01




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 Re: Engine cutting out/JD MT in reply to tom, 02-09-2003 08:11:36  
Tom, it sure sound like a fuel flow problem but if you are sure you have good flow for 35+ seconds it must be something else.

~Try opening the load needle about 1/4 turn more at a time until either the problem goes away or you get it open 1 turn more.

~Does putting the choke back on a little [or more] help the problem [if so suspect fuel flow or carb problem]

~If the carb or choke doesn't change anything, use a volt meter & monitor the coil's ignition side terminal while driving the tractor to see if the coil's supply voltage is dropping or acting up while driving, if so, run a jumper wire from the starter battery cable stud to the coil's [ign switch terminal] & see if the problem goes away [if so suspect a faulty ignition switch or poor connection in the ignition feed circuit].

~Make sure the distributor has a good ground through the hold down clamp.

~Install a new condenser [preferably an original Deere style that was used originally, some of the replacements aren't quite right]

~If nothing shows up by doing the above, try trimming about .020"- .030" from the end of the distributor rotor to force the spark KV to build higher before jumping the plug gap [that can sometimes do wonders on the Dubuque's].

~If nothing found so far you might try a new ignition coil [just to eliminate that].

~If all the above has no effect maybe you a sticking valve or muffler baffle that's moving around & shutting down exhaust flow [long shot]...

~If by chance your tractor has been converted to 12 volts post back as that opens a whole new bag of worms..... ..

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Wayne in Tn.

02-09-2003 09:01:21




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 Re: Re: Engine cutting out/JD MT in reply to Clooney, 02-09-2003 08:40:01  
Tom, as Clooney said, start with the load needle(L-shaped screw on bottom of carb.) this is the most common cause for your problem. Standing beside the tractor, have it running with the throttle lever in wide open position, turn the L-shaped screw IN until engine sputters, then turn it OUT until engine runs smooth, then turn it OUT one more turn. If it still stalls under a load, open it a little more.

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tstaskus

02-09-2003 09:14:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Engine cutting out/JD MT in reply to Wayne in Tn., 02-09-2003 09:01:21  
Wayne,

B4 and after the rebuild, I set the idle screw to 1 & 1/2 turns, as well as the load needle. After warming up, I put the throttle into lowest position, then adjusted the screw in/out until reaching a very smooth idle...then "floored" the throttle and did the cutting in/out and backing the load needle by 1/4" turn...then I drove the tractor and when the cutting started again, I then opened the needle by 1/4" again, no matter how many times I repeated the process, same cutting out...does help any? Thx Wayne.

I am going to try to try CLooney's process of elimination.

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