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John Deere A Still won't run. Here's what happened.

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Merle

02-08-2003 20:09:31




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I have put a hose on the bottom of the carb. The fuel flowed freely into it. It started and ran for a little bit and then died. It sucked the fuel from the hose when the throttle was wide open and spit it out the top of the hose when it died. Right after it died, I checked for spark and best I could tell, it had none. It would start back up after a little bit. It didn't start easy though. It did blow some white smoke when it was cranking over and has some oil/gas around the bottom of the intake manifold where it attaches to the head. Can't tighten intake down anymore. Already broke it once trying that. I have had the mag rebuilt twice and sent off the third time, by a dealer. So, does anybody have anymore ideas on the mag? Thanks in advance.

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John T

02-09-2003 08:45:44




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 Re: John Deere A Still won't run. Here's what happened. in reply to Merle, 02-08-2003 20:09:31  
Wow Merle, the old girl is gonna drive you to drink. You say the mag has been rebuilt twice and I believe you, but if the carbs no longer a problem and you say it appeared you had no spark AFTER she dies, I guess we have to lay more mag talk on you.

A problem only after a warm up in a mag (or even a disttributor) can be due to a bad condensor or coil. Its my guess the rebuild probaly replaced the condensor but not the coil do you know????? ????? ??? If the points and condensor were replaced at rebuild and she bench tested cold but wasnt run a long time, a warm coil problem wouldnt have shown up. If you check for any shorted kill switch or kill switch post or wire problems as clooney mentioned, and she still shows no spark as you said after she dies, and the points are gapped 0.015 to 0.017, due to the low cost, I would first simply try a new condensor. If she still dies ONLY after warmed up and you rule out a carb problem, I would then wonder about the coil. A coil can bench test cold fine but develoo a problem after warmed up.

Inspect the condensor and points and any kill switch wires or post and the gap and if she still starts and runs fine but dies only after warmed up and its NOT a carb problem, I suspect the condensor first then the coil.

Let us all know Merle, this is a tricky one lol. Good luck n God Bless Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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Chuck

02-09-2003 06:42:20




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 Re: John Deere A Still won't run. Here's what happened. in reply to Merle, 02-08-2003 20:09:31  
I know that you believe that it is the mag, but have you rebuilt carb? That includes removing and cleaning the fuel nozzle and making sure the passages are all clean.

Just suggesting another possible avenue to explore.



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Clooney

02-09-2003 05:27:35




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 Re: John Deere A Still won't run. Here's what happened. in reply to Merle, 02-08-2003 20:09:31  
Merle, the fuel sucking out of the hose at full throttle is normal. Where was the fuel level in the hose when run at idle? Try running it with the air cleaner disconnected to see if that makes a difference in the fuel level in the hose & the tractor operation...

~If you are losing spark when it quits you have an ignition problem. Are you sure it's a Wico X mag & not a Wico XH distributor? They look almost the same. Does the mag snap when the engine is turned over slowly? If not maybe it's a distributor. The Wico distributor will have a little oblong cover on the front with a wire stud in the cover..

~If it is in fact a Wico X mag, start by making sure there is no external wire attached to it [if there is, REMOVE IT],,,if it had a wire & removing it doesn't change your problem you will need to try a few things.... Try a new condenser [if the condenser is shorting to ground or going open after a little use it will shut the mag down],,,make sure the points are set to .015",,,make sure all the internal wire connections are tight & not corroded,,,if it still acts up, try a new coil [maybe it is going open hot]...Are the plug wires solid metal core & not automotive TVRS [carbon core]? If not change them...

~If you can't find anything wrong with the mag you might have to swap a mag from another tractor just to see if it really is a mag problem. If a different mag eliminates the problem you know for sure you have a mag problem, if it doesn't you have other problems like fuel/carb..

~If you can't borrow a mag for a test you can take an old plug wire & cut it about 4" from the spark plug end, then strip back the outer insulation for about 1/4" on each piece to expose the inner metal wire, then find a 1-1/2" to 2" long piece of clear plastic hose that will just push over the plug wire ends, then push both the cut plug wire ends into the tubing until the wire ends are about 1/8" to 3/16" apart. You can then install that wire on the tractor & watch the spark in action with the engine running [will need a dark place to do this in]. With that wire you will be able to see if the spark quits first or the engine quits before the spark does...

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