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730 diesel powershaft problems

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will

02-07-2003 21:33:50




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I have a 730 diesel. The powershaft has always been rather hard to put in gear, then it became nearly impossible to put in gear. Time went on, and now it is impossible to put in gear. It now spins constantly. I have not hooked it to anything very hard to turn. I have only had it hooked to the fertilizer spreder, so I dont know if it is fully enguaged, or just enguaged enough to turn the spinners on the spreader. I saw a post some time back when the statement was made that oil on the clutches would make one act up. I have the shop manual, but it is all Greek to me. Another question off the subject, but why do some late model 2cyl with live power also have a second engagement for the pto beneath the shifter that reqires the shutting down of the engine to put in gear. My friend's 620 has this feature, but my 730 does not. We were talking, and could'nt decide if it was because it was gas, or if it was a 20 series thing, or possibly just an option for either series. Sorry for the long post!!!!

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Clooney

02-08-2003 07:09:43




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 Re: 730 diesel powershaft problems in reply to will, 02-07-2003 21:33:50  
Will, if the tractor is parked outside & the temperature is below freezing maybe you have ice in the PTO clutch housing.

~If ice doesn't seem like a likely cause, start by looking at the PTO pedal assembly. Look closely for the pin in the pedal assembly to be hanging up in the notch in the slotted plate assembly. If the pedal assembly appears to be working, see if you can stop the PTO shaft from turning by using your foot & holding the lower PTO pedal down hard, [if so you need a PTO rod length adjustment]... Shorten the rod with the clevis to increase the brake hold.

~It might not hurt to do a PTO clutch adjustment but if it was working a while ago that doesn't seem like a likely cause of the pedal not moving now.

~If the pedal appears to be functional & it still won't move to engage the PTO clutch, remove the clevis at the PTO shaft lever that is sticking out of the R/H side of the rear PTO housing & see if the pedal will move then, [if not, your problem is pedal or lock plate related]. If the pedal moves with the clevis disconnected your problem is inside the rear PTO housing. If the clevis pin is rusted & frozen so it won't move you might have found your problem.

~If the problem is inside the rear PTO housing you will have to pull it apart to see what's wrong inside. Start by draining the PTO oil & smelling it, if it smells like trans gear oil [a distinct smell] you are in for a big job that requires removing the whole rear housing assembly. If no gear oil is present then you probably have an adjustment problem, or failed parts like sliding collar, fork, worn plates, or cam & balls.

~By your text above you seem a little intimidated by the service manual & PTO internal operation. While that PTO isn't that difficult to work on it can be a difficult repair if you don't FULLY understand it's operation, internal parts function & adjustment options. I sent you a picture of the internal PTO clutch pack & brake assembly [I have one apart as we speak]. You can do this repair yourself but MUST read the manual & ask questions until you fully understand how it operates, how the clutch is adjusted, what the adjustments change, & why they need to be changed. If you find gear oil in the PTO housing you will need the lifting ability & tools to pull the very heavy rear housing completely off the tractor.

~I have more pictures so first determine if you have gear oil in the PTO housing, if so post back or E-Mail & we can tell you what is probably going to be involved with the repair.....

~Tyler covered the PTO drive gear shifter [if you can't find it let me know & I will send a picture]..It does have one it just doesn't look like the gasoline tractors.

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Tyler, MO

02-08-2003 04:50:51




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 Re: 730 diesel powershaft problems in reply to will, 02-07-2003 21:33:50  
Your 730 actually does have a gear pto disengaging lever. It doesn't look like the one on the 620 but it is there right next to the pto foot lever. It's that steel rod coming up from the transmission case that looks like the top end is pinched. You can put a crescent wrench on it and make your pto stop turning until you can get the pto clutch figured out. Have you changed the oil in the PTO clutch box lately?
The pto on my 730 sometimes spins for awhile when it's cold and the oil is thick. You might want to try adjusting the linkage on the right side. You just remove the cotterkey and pin from the clutch fod in the back and with a little luck the clutch rod adjustment will turn easily. This way you can adjust it in or out and see what kind of results you get. If this doesn't work you will have to go inside the pto clutch area. You will have to consult the service manual for that one. Just follow it step by step. If you have problems just post them here. There are plenty of people that have done it. Hope this helps a little
Tyler

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will

02-08-2003 17:53:15




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 Re: Re: 730 diesel powershaft problems in reply to Tyler, MO, 02-08-2003 04:50:51  
Thanks to you both (Clooney and Tyler Mo) for the most informative information It makes me more curious about the pto situation, and eases my mind about the disenguagement question. Both of you are remarkable men, and a wealth of knowledge.
I may not post back on the 730 for a few weeks, b/c I have to return to school tomorrow, and will stay for at least two weeks. I started my B today. Much to my dismay it was flooding horibly. I let it run for a minute, but it didnt clear up. I realized that I was getting a bath of gas-oil mixture from the cluth pulley. I shut it down, and drained the oil. My 7 quarts turned into nearly 5 gallons of the gas-oil combo. (nice) I took the bowl of the carb to see that my float was doing more sinking than floating. It was nearly full of gas. The bowl was full of rust. My float had been fixed one to many times, as it is more of a shiny color than copper from all of the soldering. I also pulled the idle and load needles out and cleaned the rust off, and sprayed the orfices with carb cleaner. A lot of rusty crudy stuff came out. The amazing thing is that it started, idled, ran great. You could pull it down to the last breath without a sputter, but I just dont see how it was running at all with the amount of rust I dumped out. I ordered a new float from JD I am hoping that will fix me up. Just had to tell my story. Again I appreciate the expert advice from you two nice fellas about my 730.

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