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What Wheel Weights Do I Need?

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AlbertoV05

02-06-2003 19:12:43




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I've got a 1955 60 with the F1500R rear wheel castings. What wheel weights do I want to look for that will bolt on to this casting?
I want to remove the calcium chloride from the 13 X 38 tires so I can get into a lighter weight class to pull. Any guess how much weight is in each of these tires; they're about 3/4 full?
Can I get an equivalent amount of weight using bolt-on's?
Thanks!

Al in Iowa

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Clooney

02-07-2003 04:08:17




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 Re: What Wheel Weights Do I Need? in reply to AlbertoV05, 02-06-2003 19:12:43  
Al, the weight that's in your tires right now depends on your tire size. 13X38 is an old tire size number & could be replaced by a larger tire now, it also depends on the rim width, wheel shape & percent of calcium in the water solution. ~Just as an example, lets use a 13.6 X 38 tire [probably smaller than the 13 X 38's you have on it now] & using a 12" rim... According to my ballast chart at a 3/4 fill that would be around 475# with water, 580# with 3-1/2 lb solution & 614# with 5 lb solution. [lots of weight so be careful when removing the tire]
~Those 1500R cast centers weigh in at around 275 lbs ea, so lots of weight there also. ~I think you are on the right track trying to raise the thermostat opening temperature as once the tractor is working it will be well above 180� anyway & by raising the opening temperature it will keep the engine temp a little higher when the tractor is just idling around & during light use.
~Sorry I�m not near a tractor right now so can�t give you the rear weight number but can say they weigh around 150# or so each.
~For pulling you will be better off using chassis hang on weights as you can place them on weight brackets to effect weight transfer & front/rear weight distribution.

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Steve - IN

02-06-2003 23:32:40




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 Re: What Wheel Weights Do I Need? in reply to AlbertoV05, 02-06-2003 19:12:43  
Al,
You can guesstimate the weight of the tire solution by assuming it's a cylinder with a 13 inch stroke and a 44 inch bore (estimating the tire is about 6 inches from rim to top and the dish of the rim is offset by the dome top of the tire) That's about 20k cu. in. Subtract out the inner volume where tire stops and the wheel lives of about 13x38 and that's about 15k cu. in. leaving about 5k cu. in. /1728 = about 3 cu. ft. Water weighs about 52 lbs. / cu. ft. so filled, the tire would hold 156lbs and 3/4 filled it would have 117 lbs of water with some plus or minus factors for Calcium Chloride or whatever other nasty stuff is in there.

My book lists the optional wheel weight for that wheel as 150lbs. Sorry, can't read the part number as there's a big glop of Permatex over that portion of the page (nice to have a book someone has really used). Maybe somebody with one of the nifty CD ROM's can help with the P/N, but from what you're saying, you're going to be gaining weight by draining the liquid and adding the solid weight - which, I take it, is where you don't want to go.

Also, to "tune" a thermostat for 180, you're either going to need to add more of the waxy goo that expands to open the the stat, or increase the spring rate that keeps the stat closed and pushes against the goo. Problem is 180 moves toward the good economy end of the scale on a pre-emissions engine. The power end of the scale lives closer to the 160 you have. Guessing if you're pulling you want power - so you might want to double think that thermostat thing.

Steve

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AlbertoV05

02-07-2003 04:09:47




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 Re: Re: What Wheel Weights Do I Need? in reply to Steve - IN, 02-06-2003 23:32:40  
Steve,
Actually, the side effect of gaining weight by draining the fluid and installing solid weights doesn't bother me a bit.
I also have to use this tractor to plow snow in the winter, mow some MILD sidehills with a 72" Bush Hog in the summer, etc. (activities where I'm much more effective/safer by having some weight that low on the tractor's center of gravity). So being able to unbolt and remove my wheel weights to go to a neighborhood pull doesn't bother me in the least!
If the catalog you reference is AC-1000, I've got that one, but can't make out if I need to bolt on a "F1592R" (118 lbs. ea) for my "first layer" and then bolt on #A3404" (150 lbs. ea.) on top of the "F1592R's" if need be?
And speaking of weights....talk about HARD to find: Try finding a three-piece front end frame weight set for that 60! The AC-1000 Catalog says I need the set #AA7397R"; which cosists of a 125# front piece (#A5345R), the left 125# (#A5347R), and the right 125# (#5346R).
Thanks for your help!

Al in Iowa

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Steve - IN

02-07-2003 05:54:11




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 Re: Re: Re: What Wheel Weights Do I Need? in reply to AlbertoV05, 02-07-2003 04:09:47  
Al,
Sounds like your best deal is the weights, even if they are hard to find. Good luck on that. It's very flat land here, and the most I pull with the 60 is a 2 bottom plow, so haven't weighted mine - but have noticed that nobody wants to sell them, either, as I was looking for the same thing for the front to counter balance the 3pt.

For the front frame weights, I've thought about just melting down and casting some lead to bolt on. I did that for a smaller scale project some years ago and it was easier than I thought it would be - the quantity of lead has need for the 60 has put me off a bit. You might think about doing something like that on the back as well - bolting stuff out on the lower side of the rear axle would do more to lower the CG for those hills than would more weight sitting higher. I think our 60's have a 70/30 rear weight basis - so don't go overboard on the back.

My book is dated 3/53. Only shows a 150 pound weight being available. You've got a better book than I do. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me that they'd want to put the heavier weight farther out on the axle -- does it? One thing for sure is that there's an old corroded rim in the barn that reminds me not to use water/calcium chloride instead of bolt on weights. That #475 of water chart number surpises me a bit -- better run out and check my guess on 6 inches of tire height.

The thermostat thing is interesting - performance versus economy tuning and the cost or effort involved in getting there. Sounds like you work it rather than playing with it - so you probably won't be worrying about the thermostat too much this summer.

take care, and keep your 60 warm in this lovely weather.

Steve

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