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60 John Deere fluctuates speed, what causes it???

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Luke

02-05-2003 21:27:31




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Hi, my dad just bought a 60 JD that ran rough. Gas tank had an inch of crud in the bottom and assumed that was the problem. Now, the tractor starts like a champ but lunges bad when running. The thing fluctuates RPMs all of the time. Would the carb be dirty now? A professional carb shop just rebuilt the carb, but I wondered if the dirt from the tank screwed it up again. OR, is this a governor related problem as well. Thanks, Luke

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Gman

02-07-2003 16:48:20




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 Re: 60 John Deere fluctuates speed, what causes it??? in reply to Luke , 02-05-2003 21:27:31  
Luke when you get your carb and fuel tank ckeaned out go down to local parts store and ge you some of these little filters that scew right in to your carb,you will need to modify your fuel line the when you have a problem replace it they will keep from screwing up your carb. When you store tractor put a little fuel sabilizer and two cyle oil in gas,On my puller I drained all the fuel out and filled carb with WD-40,this is the first time I put WD-40 in carb so this spring I can see the results(expensive Carb) later Garland

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Larry W.

02-06-2003 10:32:59




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 Re: 60 John Deere fluctuates speed, what causes it??? in reply to Luke , 02-05-2003 21:27:31  
Just my opinion, but even though a professional carb shop worked over the carb, it sounds like the idle side of the carb is plugged and is causing the hunting by operating on load only. Make sure all the ilde ports are clean. It only takes a speck of rust to stop it.



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John T

02-06-2003 06:32:12




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 Re: 60 John Deere fluctuates speed, what causes it??? in reply to Luke , 02-05-2003 21:27:31  
Luke, unless the governor was bad before, I lean toward a fuel starving problem now which may be the carb, but hopefully, maybe its just starving for fuel from the tank/sediment bowl assembly. (Especially if manually operating the fuel butterfly (overridign the governor) still yields the same result) If the flow test clooney mentioned doesnt show a good fuel stream out of the carbs bowl, remove the gas line from carb and there should be a good stream of continuous gas thru sed bowl and the out gas line to the carb. If it has the low oil pressure shut off like he mentioned, it has to be defeated to let the fuel flow to the sediment bowl. The carb bowl flow test cant work right until you at least get a solid full stream of gas through the sediment bowl assembly, which, may be clogged if the tank had crud as you mentioned. If the flow out the sed bowl is weak, remove the glass bowl and with that top button depressed to let gas in, see how good a flow comes out the little side holes to fill the glass bowl. Theres often crud up inside the vertical inlet pipe/strainer to the tank. If you cant ever get a solid good flow to fill that glass bowl, you may have to remove the small oil lines and carefully take the whole gas inlet/sediment bowl assembly out of the tank to clean her out. The carbs inlet strainer and/or needle valve and seat could be clogged, but be sure the sed bowl and inlet pipe etc are all free before worrying about the carb is what I would do. That low oil pressure shut off asembly is a little delicate, and if I had it off and it hadnt been serviced lately, I would restore it with a new diaphragm and o rings etc and clean any inlet up inside the tank wire strainer etc.

Good luck God Bless Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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Dogdad

02-06-2003 07:57:59




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 Re: Re: 60 John Deere fluctuates speed, what causes it??? in reply to John T, 02-06-2003 06:32:12  
I just had to get my 2 cent in here about the carb inlet strainer, I had a good friend,rest his soul, had a 520 from new in 58. He called me up one cold morning ask me why the 520 kept stalling out. I went over went though all the stuff at the sediment bowl, had lots of gas. So I started to take the strainer out, my freind stop me thought I was going to break the carb. He had never heard of this removealbe serviceable part before. The strainer had been in this carb for over 40 years. Get the books and read them, saves alot of time.
Dad

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John T

02-06-2003 09:40:47




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 Re: Re: Re: 60 John Deere fluctuates speed, what causes it??? in reply to Dogdad, 02-06-2003 07:57:59  
Good point, any carbs inlet can get so darn clogged and I think its good maintenance to remove any drain plugs and drain the junk out of them now and then before it has a chance to build up and cling to the cast. I think he said his carb had been rebult, so hopefully its not gunked up already. John T



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Clooney

02-06-2003 03:30:06




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 Re: 60 John Deere fluctuates speed, what causes it??? in reply to Luke , 02-05-2003 21:27:31  
Luke, it could be either the carb or the governor but the usual cause is the carb. Does running with the choke partially on help, or slow the surging? If so, suspect the carb.

~Try disconnecting the throttle rod at the carb & operating the carb by hand to see if the engine runs smoothly when operating the carb by hand [if it doesn't suspect the carb, if it does suspect the governor].

~Make sure the throttle rod from the governor to the carb isn�t rubbing or binding on anything & the cotter pin in the linkage hole isn�t hitting the carb throttle shaft housing. With the engine off, operate [move] the rod between the governor & carb by hand & see if you can feel it binding or sticking.

~Run a fuel flow test; open the carb bowl drain & see if you have a pencil sized stream of fuel for AT LEAST 30 seconds [if not find out why]...Note: if your tractor has an oil pressure operated fuel shut off you will have to un-screw the knurled nut on it & hold the pin in to do a fuel flow test. If you don�t have a good fuel flow check the tank fitting, tank mounted strainer & inlet screen in the carb.

~Check the air cleaner & intake tract for restrictions, a plugged air cleaner or intake snorkel will effect the engine operation.

~Make sure the exhaust heat control valve is turned to either HOT or COLD & not in between.

~If all above checks out ok try a new set of spark plugs, maybe you have a cylinder firing intermittently causing a surge.

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G Taylor

02-05-2003 22:30:57




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 Re: 60 John Deere fluctuates speed, what causes it??? in reply to Luke , 02-05-2003 21:27:31  
If the engine has lots of power under load and only surging is the problem. Make certain the governor spring preload is 1/2 to 1 hole dia.



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Luke

02-06-2003 13:38:12




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 Re: Re: 60 John Deere fluctuates speed, what causes it??? in reply to G Taylor, 02-05-2003 22:30:57  
Thanks everyone for the advice. Yes, the carb was just rebuilt and I am guessing the dirt from the tank caused the problems b/c the guy never cleaned the tank when he fixed the carb. Currently at Ohio State trying to finish classes so I can go home this weekend and try to fix the problem. Again thanks for all of the advice and I will keep you updated on what I do. Take care, Luke



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