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Cant't get a spark from my JD B

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Charlie

02-01-2003 14:25:53




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My 49 B has a delco distributor from a 60 that I put in a number of years ago. It was running and starting , but running rather roughly, so I decided to put in a new set of points. I set the gap to .015 as indicated by the JD B user's manual. Now when I try to time it by grounding the #1 spark plug, and then rotating the distributor, I can not get a spark. I reinstalled the points and reset the gap, and still no luck. I checked the voltage to the coil and it is 12 volts. What could be my problem?

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John T

02-02-2003 04:27:58




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 Re: Cant't get a spark from my JD B in reply to Charlie, 02-01-2003 14:25:53  
Charlie, You say you checked the voltage at the coil and its 12 volts, so here are a few more simple tests which should diagnose your problem.

Since we already know you have voltage to the coils input, now place that meter or a test lamp at the coils output terminal which leads to the distributor. It should normally be ZERO since its connected to ground via the points EXCEPT for when the points open on cam ready to fire the coil. (not usually there, cuz pistons dont stop at TDC on compression often) NOW, if it never goes to ZERO volts there (as you rotate the engine) although the points appear closed, there must be a loose or missing wiring connection from distributor to points ORRRRR theres bad oxidation on the point surfaces. (or they are not closing period) If they never fully close (the coil doesnt get a current path to ground) and the voltage at the coils low side doesnt get to zero (points have it to dead ground) youre not gonna get a spark.

NEXT, if a test lamp at the coils low distributor side is ALWAYS zero, it agian will never fire. The points have to close and the coil conduct current and THEN they have to open (points on high cam) to fire the coil. If its always zero there, there could be a shorted wire to the points or the condensor is dead shorted.

Clean the points with a light to non abrasive so as to NOT remove the silver coating, gap them to 0.020, check to insure no wires to points or condensor are grounded and check to see the condensor or its wirign are NOT shorted, and if she still wont fire, post back and we will guide you through testign the coil and other things. Good luck and God Bless Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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DP

02-01-2003 21:13:31




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 Re: Cant't get a spark from my JD B in reply to Charlie, 02-01-2003 14:25:53  
If you try all the things Clooney and Charlie have mentioned without success there is another possibility that I ran into a few years ago. I went so far as to switch out coils, condensers, and points with another that ran fine. When all else failed I started checking at different places for a ground for my test light and found the distributor had lost its ground to the govenor case. Removed the distributor, and cleaned both surfaces and retimed. It started the first time over, and hasn't given any trouble since. Good Luck!

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Paul from MI

02-01-2003 14:58:48




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 Re: Cant't get a spark from my JD B in reply to Charlie, 02-01-2003 14:25:53  
First try cleaning the points with some wet or dry sand paper. Then check for spark from the coil to rule out a bad rotor or distributor cap. You should have 6 volts at the points when they are open(assuming you still have the original 6V system). If not, & you have voltage at the battery side of the coil, your coil is bad(open primary winding). If you have 6 volts at the coil when the points are open, it should drop to 0 when the points close. If not, the points are not making contact(dirty, etc.). If the voltage drops to zero when the points close, but still no spark, the culprit probably is the condenser. Try replacing it. Other wise it might be the coil.
Hope this helps,
Paul

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Clooney

02-01-2003 14:53:15




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 Re: Cant't get a spark from my JD B in reply to Charlie, 02-01-2003 14:25:53  
Charlie, the point gap for Delco dist is .022". The .015 " is for a mag. If the correct point setting doesn't help, you either have a grounded point wire attaching stud or the new points have oil or oxidation on them. With the power on & the points open wiggle a screwdriver between the open points & see if get a spark.

~Are you sure you have the flywheel in the correct place for the L/H [flywheel side] cylinder to spark? If the L/H piston isn't at TDC the points can't close when you rotate the distributor because the points cam won't be in the correct location to allow the points to close. Watch the points as you rotate the distributor to see if they are actually closing. If not you don't have the flywheel in the correct location [L/H piston at TDC].


~Use a test light or volt meter & see if you have battery voltage to the coil ignition switch side terminal , if so, then see if you have voltage to the point side terminal of the coil. You should have power on the distributor side with the points open that goes away with the points closed. If you always have voltage on the points side you have a points wiring, points oxidation problem, or open in the wiring. If very little voltage is on the distributor side even with the points open you have an improper ground at the points wire stud, shorted condenser, grounded pigtail between the coil & dist, or open in the coil.

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charlie

02-01-2003 15:05:25




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 Re: Re: Cant't get a spark from my JD B in reply to Clooney, 02-01-2003 14:53:15  
I am sure that #1 is at TDC because the indent mark on the flywheel is lined with the indent mark on the flywheel cover. When I rotate the distributor to the far right the points are closed and as I rotate it to the left there is a point where they hit the lobe on the cam and they start to open, so I assume this is how it is suppose to be.

How can I clean the points to remove the oil or film? Also, if the points are gapped at 015 and not 022 can this cause no spark?

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Clooney

02-01-2003 15:24:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Cant't get a spark from my JD B in reply to charlie, 02-01-2003 15:05:25  
Charlie, I don't know if the .015" would cause a "no spark" condition or not. If the points are actually opening & closing the size of the gap shouldn't matter at cranking speeds.

~To clean the points, use contact cleaner, brake clean, or alcohol & a clean piece of white paper. Don't use any sand paper, or other abrasive as that can effect the points coating on new points. If you do use a sandpaper type product don't use anything with metal oxide in it. Make sure to COMPLETELY remove any sandpaper residue & then run a clean paper between the points. The use of sandpaper will allow the points to oxidize much quicker the next time.

~With the ignition on, rotate the flywheel or distributor until the points are open, then pull the coil wire from the distributor cap & hold it within 1/8" of the engine, then use a screwdriver to wiggle [short] between the points to see if you have a spark, if so do the same by turning the distributor. If it sparks with the screwdriver but not when turning the distributor you either have dirty points or they aren't closing properly.

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