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Spark plugs foul in the shed

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KEN C.

01-28-2003 17:19:10




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The plugs in my A are fouled almost every time i go to crank it if it sits two are three weeks between starts. Change plugs and starts right up. They are black from to much gas i guess, but have adjusted so no black smoke when running it. I don't run it very long at a time, could this be the problem. I'm using autolite plugs.I turn off gas before turning off each time, so should'nt be leaking any gas when sitting. Any ideas would help, thanks ken.

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Ray

01-29-2003 09:33:47




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 Re: spark plugs foul in the shed in reply to KEN C., 01-28-2003 17:19:10  
I think that's mostly a JD problem,almost every
deere I've seen does this,most are pretty hard
on gas.I'm a JD man,but my dad has an old Massey
50 tractor with 20 year old plugs that runs better
than any JD I've ever owned.



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John T

01-28-2003 20:01:05




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 Re: spark plugs foul in the shed in reply to KEN C., 01-28-2003 17:19:10  
Ken, blackened up plugs are a common problem, especially if you use the tractor for light loads and she never gets to warm up properly or if youre just parading it around or she never really warms up. In my very lightly used show tractor, its an even worse problem. In the days when we used the tractors long hot and heavy loaded for hours on end, as they were designed for, plug fouling was less a problem because the temperature was sufficient to burn off excess plug residue and they developed that nice gray color you like to see.

Some of the causes of black plug residue can be: (assuming its flat sooty black, not shiny thick uneven oil black)

Excess unburned fuel, like the carb is set too rich (try leaning the power and idle jets to where you get little black smoke at idle or under load) or the choke butterfly plate isnt fully opening even if the lever shows it full open. Or, the needle seat/valve may be leaky and raw fuel gets on the plug. Or, youre shutting her down by choking instead (some actually do that you know) of turning off the gas and lettign her run out of fuel. What type and octane of gas do you use??? The tractor is low compression only requirign low octane gas, not high octane which is more difficult to initiate. Are you runnign any additives??? Some can leave a plug residue

A weak spark. Try a fresh set of points and what shape are the plug wires in???

Too cold plugs. Try Autolite 388 if styled and 3077 if unstyled.

Theres more, but this can be a start. Good Luck, Ol John T Nordhoff

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Clooney

01-28-2003 19:05:35




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 Re: spark plugs foul in the shed in reply to KEN C., 01-28-2003 17:19:10  
Ken, it doesn't sound like a spark plug problem, or carb adjustment problem. If either one of those were a problem it would probably act up when started almost every time when started cold & not only after sitting for a few weeks. Hotter plugs only help when running, not starting but wouldn't be a bad idea if you only run it for short durations at a time.

~You might have a fuel shut-off valve malfunctioning [common on the old Deere's]. Leave the carb fuel drain valve open after shut down to see if that helps. If so, or you have fuel running from the valve for days suspect the shut-of valve.

~If you are using gasoline additives like Mystery oil or a lead substitute it might be settling in the carb when sitting & causing a fouling problem when starting. Shut the fuel valve off to stop the tractor & run the carb out of fuel then leave the fuel valve open to see if that helps long storage starting. Try fresh fuel to see if you are fighting old fuel with all the light end evaporated off.

~You might be fighting an ignition problem like oxidizing points or leaking ignition wires. Try a new set of points & try pulling the ignition wires out of the wire conduit tubes to see if the moisture in the wire tubes is causing spark bleed off during starting. After the tractor sits for a few weeks, install a couple of old plugs [with the gaps opened to 3/16"] in the wires then lay them on the block. Then turn the engine over & see if you have a blue spark that jumps the 3/16" gap multi times in a row. If you have an erratic spark or weak spark suspect a weak ignition system.

~After the tractor sits for a few weeks, pull the plugs & crank the engine over to see if antifreeze comes out, maybe you have a head gasket or other internal leak allowing moisture to enter the combustion chamber when sitting....

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Chris

01-28-2003 18:44:01




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 Re: spark plugs foul in the shed in reply to KEN C., 01-28-2003 17:19:10  
388 autolite in my 60 makes all the difference in fouling if 388 makes it ping then run 386. If its an unstyled tractor run 3077 autolite. Chris



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Lee

01-28-2003 18:33:55




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 Re: spark plugs foul in the shed in reply to KEN C., 01-28-2003 17:19:10  
I don't think length of running time is the problem, mine doesn't care, short or long. Try running on the lean side of carburator mixture first. Set idle mixture so it runs decent with no smoke. Then flick throttle wide open briefly. If engine stumbles, richen run mixture screw a little and flick throttle again to test. A compromise will likely have to be made between black smoke on throttle flick and engine stumble, at least for mine it's that way.
Then lean out idle mixture - which in your case is what I think is set to rich.

Another possibility is too cold a heat range for your plugs. As I'm a Champion man I have no clue what number Autolite you should try. Try pulling the plugs right after you shut down. Are they covered with powdery soot? If so, then it's too rich.

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ChuckW

01-28-2003 17:26:31




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 Re: spark plugs foul in the shed in reply to KEN C., 01-28-2003 17:19:10  
current gas seems to produce a lot of fouling in low temp, regular ignition engines. Most of the fuel as you know is designed for 200 degrees temp plus electronic ignition...look at all the exhaust from gas tractors....they seem to all be black....



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520-LP

01-28-2003 21:11:03




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 Re: Re: spark plugs foul in the shed in reply to ChuckW, 01-28-2003 17:26:31  
In 2001 I pulled a 1949 A with a power block & a 51 carb and would foul a plug ever 3rd or 4th pull.I used different brands and heat ranges of plugs and changed the points and condenser several times. In 2002 I installed electronic ignition,a set of D23 champions open up to 50 thousands and have hooked 30 times and have not fouled a plug. the tractor also starts alot better.



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John T

01-29-2003 06:45:03




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 Re: Re: Re: spark plugs foul in the shed in reply to 520-LP, 01-28-2003 21:11:03  
Chuck, the electronic igntion delivers a vast amount more of spark gap energy (volts times amps) across a wider plug gap with a hotter, fatter, longer arc, and they are ideal for pullers or high compression or exotic fuel applications as your testimony shows. Glad to hear you like it. John T



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