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How hot should a 60 run?

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AlbertoV05

01-20-2003 18:44:34




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How hot should a 60 run? I replaced the temp gauge on mine this year and it won't even touch 170 degrees in the middle of August running a 72" Bush Hog. This time of year, it may get to 150 or 160 once the thermostat opens. I did check the gauge for proper operation before installing by putting a pan of water on the stove and watching her warm up on the gauge.
Does Deere offer different thermostats rated at different temps?
Seems to me that to get that fuel to atomize and burn most efficiently you'd want it warmer than what I'm getting?
Thanks in advance

Al in Iowa

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Lee

01-22-2003 01:02:25




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 Re: How hot should a 60 run? in reply to AlbertoV05, 01-20-2003 18:44:34  
Al, you missed your big chance to calibrate your new gauge! You should have taken that pot of water on up to boiling and see what the gauge said. If it didn't say 212 then you know it's a lying, right? And you'd know by exactly how much too. And now you could guess very closely as to what the actual temp that the tractor runs at - it may be OK as is, especially if the mower is a decent load.

Gasoline would work at 150 fine, what's more important is to keep internal condensation from happening inside the combuston chambers and oil system. 160 used to be the minimum rated thermostat for summer use only - today's autos need 190 thermostats year round, but I doubt if JD sells anything but one temp. On a 4630 we got two replacement thermostats, after just a little use all four would neither open fully nor close fully, so watch for that too.

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Steve - IN

01-20-2003 23:58:44




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 Re: How hot should a 60 run? in reply to AlbertoV05, 01-20-2003 18:44:34  
Al,

My 60 will get to 190 or so when it's 90 outside in the summer. And I also have to move a lot of snow before I see 140-150 now. Here's a couple of ways to think about it.

1. Check the coolant capacity of say a 327 or 350 Chevy engine. I think you'll find they're a max of 18 quarts, or 4.5 gallons. The JD 60 is 321 cu. in. and has 8.25 gallons of coolant. Also bear in mind a lot more air can circulate around the 60 block and head than ever gets into a Chevy's engine compartment to provide cooling.

2. Check the manual about the "heat switch" on the intake manifold. It says to change the setting to preheat when it's below 32, but switch back when it's above 32, or you'll get lousy fuel economy. If a lot of fuel is unburned or not well combusted, you'd see bunches of black smoke out the exhaust, and if it's totally falling out of suspension, you're going to see gas in the crankcase. If you don't have either of these problems - something must be working fairly right in there.

One real good indicator of combustion efficiency is an exhaust gas temp sensor mounted close to the head on the manifold. Tweak things until it runs at 1350 to 1400 degrees. Someday I might get ambitious and stick an EGT on my 60. Until then I'm happy reading the smoke and knowing I can run the mixture from too rich (black) to too lean (white). So I tend accept the cool running as a design feature - like slow revving and 2 clyinders that was planned-in to give the tractor a longer life. It might say a little bit about our world now that when we see a feature like that, we don't really trust it. My reactions over the cool running thing were the same as yours.

I recently saw this article about "tuning" your water temp using an electric water pump. Thought it was intersting - also there's a lot more info on the whole subject there that might interest you as well.

Steve

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stuart martin

01-21-2003 08:44:23




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 Re: Re: How hot should a 60 run? in reply to Steve - IN, 01-20-2003 23:58:44  
It shouldnt matter how big of a cooling system you have the thermostat wont open till it reaches the right temp. I own a 60 and I am not sure what it runs at but a man who has worked on 2 cylinder John Deere tractors for 55 years said he always drilled a small hole in the thermostat that way it does not hve to open and close so much yet will still make complete combustion



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