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TX Denny

01-13-2003 07:10:11




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I've got my A govenor apart. The port from the oil pump to the port for the pressure gauge is clear. But I can't find anyway for oil to get to the bearings of the governor. I thought maybe there would be a hole going from the gauge port toward the front of the tractor allowing oil from the pump to get to the bearing between the fan drive gear and the magneto coupling. But there is no hole there. How are these bearings lubricated?
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buckeye al

01-14-2003 15:59:36




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 Re: A Govenor in reply to TX Denny, 01-13-2003 07:10:11  
Once worked on a '41 hand start. Original owner hated the tractor because he had always had troubles with it. Fan shaft bearings had been replaced multiple times in the life of the tractor. Chronic mag troubles. Governor bearings went bad repeatedly. He switche to a different paint scheme (IH) and quit taking care of the A using it only as a last resort.

Turned out that there never was a hole drilled through the oil pressure gauge port into the right hand bearing's space. The governor housing was defective from the factory. This hole is as the other guys said very small & I just assumed the drill bit broke off & this governor (and maybe some otehrs) was missed during inspections at the factory.

The oil is SUPPOSED to enter the area to the RIGHT of the right hand bearing but to the LEFT of the magneto drive coupling. The RIGHT bearing floats in the governor case bore but is under the pressure of a stout spring constantly pushing the entire bearing and shaft towards the left side of the tractor. Oil has to run through the rolling balls of the right governor bearing to get back to the crank case and will do so before it runs out past the drive coupling. The spring is wound to help 'pump' or auger the oil towards the bearing and away from the drive coupling. As oil runs through the bearing, centrifugal force slings it around in the governor housing splattering over the bevel gears. There is a passsageway in the rear fan shaft bearing housing designed to catch some of this flying oil and make it dribble down in FRONT of the rear fan shaft bearing. This oil has to run through the rear fan shaft bearing to get back to the crank case. It too flys 'round inside the governor & helps oil the bevel gears.

The left governor bearing receives its oil in much this same manner but from the oil pumped up from the left main via the camshaft drive gear and other oil flying 'round in the crank case. The top of the left governor bearing housing has a funnel type of opening designed to use gravity to route the oil it catches through the balls of the left bearing. This funnel shaped housing is very plainly visible on the outside of the bearing housing. Particularly so on the late B's. As long as oil is pumped by the gears and/or the oil pump and the speed is there to sling it, gravity does the rest.

Tried to fix the above tractor by drilling the hole. Didn't work. The right governor bearing had worn the bore of the housing enough that we could not keep the mag drive coupling nut tight because of shaft wobble and it was noisy. Bought a different housing & transferred the parts to the replacement housing, heeled & lashed the bevel gears and the troubles went away.

Good luck with yours.

Later.

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TX Denny

01-14-2003 08:05:58




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 Re: A Govenor in reply to TX Denny, 01-13-2003 07:10:11  
Thanks to all for your help. I found bearings at a local bearing company but John Deere had the best price. I feel good about this repair, now.



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Clooney

01-14-2003 13:48:26




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 Re: Re: A Govenor in reply to TX Denny, 01-14-2003 08:05:58  
Deny, did you find that hole plugged or open?



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TX Denny

01-16-2003 13:34:16




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 Re: Re: Re: A Govenor in reply to Clooney, 01-14-2003 13:48:26  
My tractor is 80 miles from my place in town so I won't get to look at it until Saturday. I'll post my results in a new message. Thanks,



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MIKE

01-13-2003 10:24:14




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 Re: A Govenor in reply to TX Denny, 01-13-2003 07:10:11  
LOOK REAL CLOSE THERE SHOULD BE A HOLE GOING THROUGH FROM THE GAUGE PORT IT IS MAYBE 1/16 OF AN INCH AND MIGHT BE RUSTED SHUT.



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Clooney

01-13-2003 10:04:54




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 Re: A Govenor in reply to TX Denny, 01-13-2003 07:10:11  
Denny, the governor bearings are oiled from oil thrown around by the fan gears. It isn't a perfect system but as long as the tractor is used as intended & the RPM's are kept up they oil pretty good. The problems seem to show up with all the play tractors that never run above a slow idle. The "H" even had an external oil kit to lubricate the L/H governor bearing at low RPM's.
~Once a 2-cylinder is started & warmed up a little it really should be run at WOT for a few minutes to oil the governor bearings & valve train....

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TX Denny

01-13-2003 12:09:32




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 Re: Re: A Govenor in reply to Clooney, 01-13-2003 10:04:54  
Clooney, I don't see how any oil can get to the fan gears to be thrown around. I thought there would be a tiny hole going from the oil pressure outlet into the housing for the main bearing. I expected that oil to come off the bearing and go to the fan gears and be tossed around. But if there is no hole through to the bearing, where would the oil come from? I've looked at the inside of the bearing hole. I've looked through the oil pressure opening. I've probed the bottom of the oil pressure oulet with a dental pick. No hole is evident. No rust in there either for it to be rusted closed. Could this be why the bearing went bad?

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Clooney

01-13-2003 13:11:03




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 Re: Re: Re: A Govenor in reply to TX Denny, 01-13-2003 12:09:32  
Denny, see Mikes post above. That hole is hard to see & might be rusted shut. The oil doesn't go directly to the bearings but shoots out a small hole onto the fan gears.....



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TX Denny

01-13-2003 13:27:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A Govenor in reply to Clooney, 01-13-2003 13:11:03  
Is it in the hex fitting that goes into the casting? I didn't look there.
Thanks,



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Clooney

01-13-2003 14:31:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Govenor in reply to TX Denny, 01-13-2003 13:27:10  
Denny, that oil passage is very small, I "think?" it runs from oil pressure gauge line hole to the left [it's been a while since I have done a late 40's A] to spray oil on larger fan drive gear. From there the oil is slung on every thing else.



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Lee

01-13-2003 20:30:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A Govenor in reply to Clooney, 01-13-2003 14:31:05  
I can confirm that you are right as I did mine last August. I didn't like the little hole and went to Ace and bought a 1/16" x 8" drill bit and opened it up about double its original size. Then I went one better and put a new hole straight into the housing from the pressure gauge port too. I've got +30 lbs pressure at fast idle and can't notice that I've quadrupled my oil flow in and around the fan shaft/mag area by looking at the gauge. Actually double the diameter is quadruple the flow and I added another hole so that's times 8.

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John T

01-13-2003 07:58:00




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 Re: A Govenor in reply to TX Denny, 01-13-2003 07:10:11  
While they do get oil, its not enough in my opinion (design flaw??) because so many have the fan shaft and governor bevel gears worn out so sharp you can almost shave with them. I have heard of guys drilling a small hole there by the oil port to get additional oil on the fan shaft gears, but as I parade and dont use them much after restoration, they will surely never wear out there again. Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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Gordon

01-13-2003 07:21:01




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 Re: A Govenor in reply to TX Denny, 01-13-2003 07:10:11  
The get oil from the ventilator pump on the fan shaft.



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TX Denny

01-13-2003 09:35:09




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 Re: Re: A Govenor in reply to Gordon, 01-13-2003 07:21:01  
But I don't have a ventilator pump on my fan shaft (1946 tractor).



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