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Clooney Others: Armchair Diagnosis

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Blksmok

01-12-2003 10:07:56




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About a year ago I looked at a 70D that was parked outside for several years, but the owner said he had just put $2500 into the engine to replace a broken crankshaft and replacing several other main components. He claims he was having problem keeping the clutch adjusted properly and when they tore it apart they found the crankshaft problem. Anyway, we pull started it and it popped right off and the engine sound and throttle reponse was very good. I drove it down the driveway and back (~1/4 mile) to check out the transmission etc and then let it sit in the barnyard idling while I checked it over more closely. After about 5 minutes of idling it started "gushing" antifreeze out of the radiator overflow and when I removed the radiator cap it was like a fountain. From my experience with other 70D's I don't believe the engine run long enough to "overheat". The owner's explanation was the the head gaskets needed to retorqued. Given this behavior...what's your guess as to the source of the pressurized radiator??? Later.

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G Taylor

01-13-2003 20:23:29




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 Re: Clooney Others: Armchair Diagnosis in reply to Blksmok, 01-12-2003 10:07:56  
It's entirley normal for a 70D to crack the cylinder head. The very late 70D's,720 & 730 had an improved casting that also flowed more air. Not a huge job to swap out a head. Just use new valves,guides,seats and get the injectors freshened up at Albert's shop. And at least new grade eight nuts on the studs too. Don't grind diesel seats or valves. It looses too much compression from sunk valves. Excessive guids/stem clearance will ruin the seat/valves in short order.

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Aaron Lowrey

01-12-2003 18:45:18




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 Re: Clooney Others: Armchair Diagnosis in reply to Blksmok, 01-12-2003 10:07:56  
This sounds like the same problem I had with a JD 50 that had been sitting for a lot of years. We got it running and had it full of antifreeze and after it ran for a little while with no load on it, it would start gurgling water out of the overflow, if you took the cap off the radiator it would blow water out. It ended up being the top tubes of the radiator were plugged with debris so it would not let water circulate causing it to get hot and boil out the overflow. If you can use a small flashlight to see down through the filler neck to see if the tubes are open or not.

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Blksmok

01-12-2003 19:02:31




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 Re: Re: Clooney Others: Armchair Diagnosis in reply to Aaron Lowrey, 01-12-2003 18:45:18  
Aaron..Thanks, that's a possiblity I never thought about, but I can see how that could happen as soon as the thermostat opens and it tries to circulate coolant though the whole system.



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John T

01-12-2003 10:43:20




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 Re: Clooney Others: Armchair Diagnosis in reply to Blksmok, 01-12-2003 10:07:56  
I have owned 70, 720 and 730 Diesels, and on those or any diesel for that matter, pressurizeation inside the cooling system would cause me to be leary unless I knew excactly what else, besides head gasket leaks or cracked blocks or heads may be causing it. If a head gasket has developed a leak and that's the cause of what you observed, it (the gasket) may already be damaged to the point no amount of simply retorqueing it is gonna help. Also, even if it hadnt had the normal time to warm up, any escape of hot gasses into the cooling system can cause rapid temp increases. If you check the oil how does it look?? Is it gray or milky looking (water) ??? Does the coolant appear to be water and antifreze or appear to also have some oil mixed in??? When cool, is the coolant level where it should be??

If you have her full of coolant and start it up cool, do air bubbles begin to develop right away even while shes real cool yet??? (((((IF SO, I would be even more afraid of it, becasue thats not so much a heat problem, its combustion chamber pressure leaking into the cooling passages))))

If there are other causes of such rapid overheating (which may be possible) it may not necessarily be a gasket or head or block problem, but unless I was sure of that, I wouldnt be paying too much too quick for the tractor. Let us know, ol John T

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Blksmok

01-12-2003 12:42:27




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 Re: Re: Clooney Others: Armchair Diagnosis in reply to John T, 01-12-2003 10:43:20  
John T....There was no evidence of water in the crankcase oil nor were there any external coolant leaks outside of what was coming out of the radiator. My thought was that there was a crack somewhere that opened up when the engine got warm allowing exhaust gases in to the coolant system. My price offer to him assumed it was a crack in the cylinder head. He was trying to recover his $2500 repair bill on the crankshaft. We parted ways.

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Clooney

01-12-2003 10:37:56




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 Re: Clooney Others: Armchair Diagnosis in reply to Blksmok, 01-12-2003 10:07:56  
Blksmok, I suppose it could be a stuck thermostat or frozen water pump but like you said it probably didn't run long enough to overheat. Any chance there wasn't enough antifreeze & there was ice blockage in the cooling system? The head gasket is the most likely place, but I doubt a re-torque will do it. If you are thinking of buying it you probably should assume the worst & factor in the possibility of a cracked head or other expensive problems. I have bought tractors like that before & have told the seller I would only offer so much & if the problem turned out to be as simple as stated would pay a certain amount more after disassembly & repair. With the cost to repair those diesels, a running good condition tractor is almost always cheaper than a lower initial cost tractor with problems when all is said & done..... .....

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scottAR

01-12-2003 10:48:08




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 Re: Re: Clooney Others: Armchair Diagnosis in reply to Clooney, 01-12-2003 10:37:56  
I agree with your comments completely, it just seems I always buy the good tractor and it turns out to have hidden problems.



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