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Bill N TN

01-05-2003 02:07:42




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wayne i took your advice had the cylinder head on my '55 40T redone she runs like a top now! need a little more advice...during these hot summers we have here in the south do you run pure water in yours in the summer?? since there is no water pump i figured the more steam the better the flow...going to be mowing grass this summer with it and dont want to blow another head gasket or damage the head...thx

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Wayne in Tn.

01-05-2003 06:48:38




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 Re: 40T wayne TN in reply to Bill N TN, 01-05-2003 02:07:42  
Bill, I have never run pure water only, however it should be ok. I always use a 5 gallon bucket and mix half water and half antifreeze. That way it is completely mixed before adding to the radiator. I have heard that an antifreeze mixture will run cooler than pure water-??? Someone else may can comment on this. Yep, a good head job means a lot on those engines.



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John T (Yo Steve in IN ?)

01-05-2003 09:17:31




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 Re: Re: 40T wayne TN in reply to Wayne in Tn., 01-05-2003 06:48:38  
Hi Wayne and Bill, Im out of my field commenting on the heat transfer capabilities of fluids, so no warranty here lol. However, I was under the impression that anti freeze has LESS heat transfer capability than water, but that its assed purpose as a summer coolant (especially in our high temp automobiles in a pressurized system) is more to raise the boing point, so she dont steam over as bad. If thats so (which I believe is?) just water with no anti freeze actually cools better than a mix with anti freeze. Fellow Hoosier Steve, any comments or corrections??? Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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Steve - IN

01-05-2003 13:13:50




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 Re: Re: Re: 40T wayne TN in reply to John T (Yo Steve in IN ?), 01-05-2003 09:17:31  
John T,
You're right. Water is a better heat conduit. Thing is, anti freeze has a higher boiling point than water, and will increase the boil point about a half degree C for every additional 10 per cent of solution. So with or without a pressurized system, you can keep a hot engine running longer with anti freeze in it before Capt. Ahab says - thar she blows!

With water pump systems the argument gets to be how fast to turn the pump, and guys worry about cavitation of the pump and surface tension of the coolant when trying to figure out how to get the best cooling.

One thing, though, is a constant instead of a trade off. If your motor does bust a gut by blowing a head gasket, you'll be much better off with pure water coolant than an anti freeze mix. The ethyl glycol does real nasty stuff to cylinders, pistons and rings when it burns off, while water just makes you look like Casey Jones as steam goes right out the pipe without doing that much damage.

Steve

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Wayne in Tn.

01-05-2003 09:35:39




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 Re: Re: Re: 40T wayne TN in reply to John T (Yo Steve in IN ?), 01-05-2003 09:17:31  
John T. you may be right, pure water may cool better. I just always use the mixture so I don't have to remember it for winter time. I have had trouble when bushoging tall sagegrass in 90-100 degree weather, with overheating. Maybe I need to try pure water?



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Steve - IN

01-05-2003 13:34:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 40T wayne TN in reply to Wayne in Tn., 01-05-2003 09:35:39  
Wayne,

A second thought - remembered this stuff called Redline Water Wetter. It's a snake oil that guys use in race cars to make water more efficient in terms heat transfer. The idea being is you can run more advance, leaner mixtures, smaller radiators, and make more power before it boils over.

You might take a look at the web page about it, even if you don't want to try the stuff, the page gives you lots of good info about the relative heat tranfer coefficients of water, anti freeze, iron, aluminum, and so on.

If you or Bill are having problems with overheating and the normal system flush and radiator cleaning isn't doing it -- and you have seen what anti freeze does when a head gasket blows -- you might want to try this stuff. Worst case is the giving a dead man an enema rule - may not help, but ain't gonna hurt nothin'.

Steve

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John T

01-05-2003 10:59:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 40T wayne TN in reply to Wayne in Tn., 01-05-2003 09:35:39  
Wayne, I dont think the over heatign in hot weather under a heavy bush hog load would be that much better with water only, although I still think it will help some. Thats more of an age and corosion problem where the water passages and corrosion build up in the engine reduces thermal transfer, while the radiator may, likewise, be some corroded and/or air blocked on the outside from dirt build up etc etc. What Im saying is, if its overheaitng with water and anti freeze (which is what it was designed for) I would look more at trying to flush and clean the block and radiator more than worry ovr whats inside it maybe??? Ol John T, an Electrical, not Mechanical or Thermo Engineer.

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