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Blueflint

12-27-2002 18:22:22




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Is distillate and kerosene the same thing? If not, what is it?

What is "tractor fuel"? (diesel???)

Thanks.




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Donny-B

12-28-2002 15:37:39




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 Re: Distillate? in reply to Blueflint, 12-27-2002 18:22:22  
This is an explanation that was posted on YT-Mag in september of 1999.

: : Distillate is simply the left over parts of crude oil after the more popular fractions have been distilled out! Hence the name.....

: : Basically, you'd take the crude oil and heat it in a still. The different hyrdocarbons in the crude mix will distill out in order of their complexity.
: : Methane (one), Butane (two), Propane (three), etc. All come out in order as gas and are sent to storage facilities at the well sites (usually). The crude oil is a mix of all of the liquid (at normal temperatures) HC chains. If you heat it up, the liquids turn into gas, with the lighter ones boiling off first, followed in succession by the heavier ones. The crude oil in the still will settle out at temperature points, which tells you what fraction is boiling off currently.

: : Now, since you want reasonably pure Gasolene, Kerosene, diesel, etc. you have a point where the liquid in the still is ramping to the next temperature point; you need to dump the output during the ramping into a different container. Once the temp. stabilizes at the next point, you switch the output to the pipes leading to the specific storage tanks (gas, kero, etc.)

: : So, when you're done with this process you have a number of tanks containing specific grades of fuels, and an extra tank containing a mixture of all of the fuels. This extra mixed fuel was referred to as distillate!

: : Now, you wonder where you can get it today? You can't! It hasn't existed since 1943! you see, the oil refining process was forever changed as a result of the Second World War!

: : A process for making a barrel of crude oil into a barrel of gasolene was needed to fuel the war effort. The distillation process was replaced by the cracking process.

: : Cracking involves a catalytic process whereby all of the HC chains in the crude are split in to single HC molecules. Then, these molecules are recombined into the required HC chains necessary to produce a specific fuel (Gasolene, Kerosene, Diesel, etc).

: : This is why kero costs more than gas today. It takes time to convert a cracking plant over to produce a fuel. Kero sells far less quickly than gas, so the oil companies need to store it for a long period. It's also the cause for higher heating oil and diesel (the same thing ) if a winter runs long. The cracking plant is converted to summer gasolene production in the middle of the winter to ensure enough gas for vacation time. If the winter runs long, a plant needs to be re-converted to diesel production to make heating oil. This is incredibly expensive for the oil company, so they make it back on the prices.

: : Now, you want to know what to put in that Farmall? Simple. Gasolene. In both tanks. It won't hurt anything, and the tractor will run better. If you want, put a cup of marvel mystery oil (or ATF - same stuff) in each 5 gallons of gas. Give it some top end lube. You could mix 50% gas, 40% kero and 10% diesel if you want to approximate distillate.....

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Dave K

12-28-2002 12:06:06




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 Re: Distillate? in reply to Blueflint, 12-27-2002 18:22:22  
Back in the 40's and 50's we just burned kerosene in our JD's. Worked fine every time and a lot cheaper than gas then. Course gas was about 12 cents a gallon then too!

Dave



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G-MAN

12-28-2002 08:01:04




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 Re: Distillate? in reply to Blueflint, 12-27-2002 18:22:22  
I don't know if anyone could tell you exactly what "tractor fuel" is or was. The actual chemical make-up of it probably varied greatly from one geographical area to another, supplier, refinery and so forth. I've heard of kerosene, heating oil, "tractor fuel", power-fuel and others all being burned in two-cylinders by various individuals. The standard claim about "D"s and most other all-fuel Deeres was that they would burn anything remotely flammable that could be poured into the fuel tank - and I believe that is probably true.

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SamH

12-28-2002 07:27:07




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 Re: Distillate? in reply to Blueflint, 12-27-2002 18:22:22  
Petroleum distillate (commonly called "tractor fuel" by farmers) is not kerosene or diesel. I believe it is a by-product of the refining process (I bet there is an expert on this site who can tell us exactly what it is). The tractors that were designed to burn it were called "all fuel" tractors or "fuel burners". It was gradually replaced by gasoline and diesel until it finally disappeared as a tractor fuel around 1960. I would have to check, but I believe Deere continued to build all fuel tractors until it stopped production of 2 cylinders.

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Clooney

12-27-2002 19:48:09




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 Re: Distillate? in reply to Blueflint, 12-27-2002 18:22:22  
Blueflint, distillate can cover a range of fuels but it is probably somewhere between kerosene & light heating oil. It is not diesel. Probably the closest thing you will find now is kerosene. Not sure on the tractor fuel but probably not as heavy as diesel.



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Steve in Canada

12-28-2002 07:20:12




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 Re: Re: Distillate? in reply to Clooney, 12-27-2002 19:48:09  
Blueflint...Years ago (Late 1950s} when I was a farm fuel bulk dealer in Canada, Imperial oil (Standard oil in the U S ) decided to no longer make distillate because the demand was dropping.They recommended to mix 2/3 diesel and 1/3 gas together to make a subsitute for distillate. It seemed to work Okay. The original must have been similar..... ..Steve



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Blueflint

12-27-2002 20:31:36




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 Re: Re: Distillate? in reply to Clooney, 12-27-2002 19:48:09  
Ok, I figured these had to be close to Kerosene or lighter to burn properly in a low compression engine. I have been reading about fuels used in JDs in the 1930's and early 40's. Thanks.



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