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3020 GENERATOR TO ALETRNATOR CONVERSION

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MICHAEL

12-26-2002 19:40:47




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I've read several posts and am still a bit confused about how to change from my non-charging gen/volt regulator to a chevy alternator. Can anyone please hold my hand and take me through the steps required? I'm not afraid to do the work, I'm just not a motor-head at all. I am not sure where the wire/wires go-jumpers.etc. Any help would be appreciated.

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G Taylor

12-27-2002 10:37:46




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 Re: 3020 GENERATOR TO ALETRNATOR CONVERSION in reply to MICHAEL, 12-26-2002 19:40:47  
This is why 99% of people should repair the factory equipment(generator) rather than try customizing. It's just outside of thier normal fields of expertise and confusion costs time,money, lost production and more than a few arcs,sparks and fires. Just label the wires, take the equipment to the local rebuild shop and re-install identical equipment with less potential for ruining brand new parts.

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John T

12-27-2002 07:02:09




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 Re: 3020 GENERATOR TO ALETRNATOR CONVERSION in reply to MICHAEL, 12-26-2002 19:40:47  
Michael, first, if its a 12 volt system and you want to use a GM 10 SI Alternator, it has to be converted to negative ground. If its a 24 volt system, these instructions are not applicable. The wire that used to go to the Battery (Bat) terminal on the old Voltage Regulator, now goes to the big output terminal on the back of the GM alternator. Another small #12 wire also connects there and hooks to the No. 2 or F small side terminal on the alternator. A No. 14 wire begins at the ignition switch where its 12 volts when the ignition switch is on (like the wire going to the ignition coil) and in series with it use a 5 to 10 ohm 5 watt resistor and a diode/rectifier rated 50 volts DC at 5 amps of current. Ive seen them with none to 10 ohms and all work fine (biggest is best to be safe however so as to not over current the exitation circuit) and the power rating of the resistor (the 5 watts) doesnt need to be that big but 5 watts is a heavy duty unit. The diode doesnt need to be quite 5 amps rated (1 will probably work with a 10 ohm resistor), but again, 3 to 10 or any size you can purchase will work. Wire the diode positive to switch and negative to alternator. That wire from the ignition switch with the resistor and diode in series, then gets connected to the number 1 or R side terminal on the alternator. Some models like yours use an idiot light for the generator, and that can still be utilized in some cases and as a substitute for the diode, because it provides the load to prevent backfeedign the ignition when the ignition is off, but I would need the wiring diagram and type of 3020 to tell you how to wire it that way versus the diode as described herein. To convert to neg grnd, reverse the batetry to neg grnd, reverse the leads on any ammeter so it reads correct, and wire the ignition coil so the little neg terminal goes to the distributor and positive gets power from the switch. Again, this is for a 12 volt system negative ground and NOT for a 24 and the idiot light wires might still be able to be used if I knew exactly what you had. Good Luck Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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Clooney

12-27-2002 05:06:41




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 Re: 3020 GENERATOR TO ALETRNATOR CONVERSION in reply to MICHAEL, 12-26-2002 19:40:47  
MICHAEL, is it a diesel or gas? Does it have a 24 or 12 volt system? Is it still positive ground?



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Michael

12-27-2002 20:37:17




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 Re: Re: 3020 GENERATOR TO ALETRNATOR CONVERSION in reply to Clooney, 12-27-2002 05:06:41  
Thanks for the fast reply. I have a gas 3020. It is a 12 volt system. I don't know how to tell if it is a positive or negative ground system. Suggestions?

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Clooney

12-28-2002 05:24:57




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 Re: Re: Re: 3020 GENERATOR TO ALETRNATOR CONVERSION in reply to Michael, 12-27-2002 20:37:17  
Michael, you will have to look to see what battery post goes to the frame & what battery post goes to the starter. If the [+] post goes to the frame then it's positive ground & if the [-] post goes to the frame then it's negative ground.... OR, if the [+] post is wired to the starter, then it is negative ground, & if the [-] post is wired to the starter then it is positive ground. ~If the fuel gage is still working, then it is probably still positive ground as that gage usually won't work at negative ground. The tractor MUST be, [or will have to be] converted to negative ground for a standard Chevy Delco alternator to function. ~If you have trouble telling what ground you have then the alternator conversion is probably not something you want to tackle yourself. If you can easily determine what ground your tractor has, then the alternator conversion won't be that difficult for you. Where do you live? Maybe someone from the board lives close to you & can look over your shoulder & offer advice.
~If you are determined to do the alternator conversion & don't have an alternator yet, try to get a low amp early Delco 10-SI from a non air conditioned Chevy, or plain low accessory GM product. If you get one that is under 45 amps you won't have to run new heavier gage wires from the alternator to the battery(s). If you get a high amp alternator [45+ amps], then you will have to run a larger 10 or 12 gage wire from the alternator to the [battery(s)] or [starter battery cable post]. ~The alternator you need will have the regulator terminals running like this [- -], if they are running in this direction [.| |.] then it won't work as that is an external regulated Delcotron.
~[If] your tractor is already negative ground, & you have or can get a low amp internally regulated Delco 10-SI alternator, the conversion isn't hard...

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Gary in TX

12-26-2002 20:36:33




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 Re: 3020 GENERATOR TO ALETRNATOR CONVERSION in reply to MICHAEL, 12-26-2002 19:40:47  
I did my 64 model 3020 diesel this year to a one wire alternator and 12 volt starter. Is yours a diesel,gas, or lp model? Drop me an email and I will be glad to tell you what I did to mine. I do make no guarantees on this procedure and accept no liability on this should you decide to try it. This is simply what I did. You would take the responsibility on yourself if you choose to do it. I will look at it tommorrow as I don't remember right off hand the wire connections. Your local deere dealer should be able to get you this as well. Email me!
Gary

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Michael

12-27-2002 20:35:42




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 Re: Re: 3020 GENERATOR TO ALETRNATOR CONVERSION in reply to Gary in TX, 12-26-2002 20:36:33  
Gary,
In using the 1 wire alternator, how do you prevent the backfeeding when the ignition is off? I cant' determine you e-mail address from your post. I'll e-mail you if you send me your address. Thanks
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