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smoker

12-17-2002 18:40:50




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Does anyone know if a cam from a 830 two cylinder tractor will fit into a R two cylinder with out any modifications?




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Gpower

12-18-2002 07:12:47




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 Re: 830 camshaft in reply to smoker , 12-17-2002 18:40:50  
Yes it will, its debatable on if it really helps that much though.



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smoker

12-18-2002 08:14:06




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 Re: Re: 830 camshaft in reply to Gpower, 12-18-2002 07:12:47  
Garry, What kind of cam or cam grind would you reccomend for my R with 730 pistons? I really don't want to cut the pistons.



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Gpower

12-19-2002 06:54:23




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 Re: Re: Re: 830 camshaft in reply to smoker , 12-18-2002 08:14:06  
Smoker,
I am not sure about how much of a grind to do on the R camshaft. There are some aggressive cams built for the R-830's but you have trouble timing them, so Ive heard. With the 730 pistons, stock R head and valves, 13mm pumps, 730 injector tips and a good rebuild on the pumps and injectors, you should get 75-80 out of her. As far as the cam goes, I would set the timing as outlined in the book, with a dial indicator and start from there. It says the valve should be opened 25 thousanths at TDC, I would shoot for it to be open around 15 thousanths. It is easy to adjust the timing on the r-830 due to the way the gear goes onto the end of the camshaft. If you want more HP, the best money you could spend is on the head. Port and polish the head, you may find some bigger valves to go with it, the only problem is how the injector tubes and injectors are mounted into the head, so you are limited on how big you can go. As far as cutting the piston tops, I have heard of them doing this so that the valves would clear. I also know of tractors running around that arent cut and doing ok. Just put the head on with out the gasket and roll it over and see what happens. you can always get a thicker gasket made to put where the block bolts to the crankcase, allowing the block to move forward some more, if you need a few more thousanths clearance. Well, hope this gives you some ideas. Good luck

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G Taylor

12-18-2002 10:12:57




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 Re: Re: Re: 830 camshaft in reply to smoker , 12-18-2002 08:14:06  
Cut the pistons?



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smoker

12-18-2002 16:31:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 830 camshaft in reply to G Taylor, 12-18-2002 10:12:57  
I am talking about fly cutting the pistons for valve clearance if I get something with a high lift.



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G Taylor

12-18-2002 19:12:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 830 camshaft in reply to smoker , 12-18-2002 16:31:23  
On a gasoline car engine with high compression pistons, a large combustion chamber and a high lift long duration cam relieving the pistons to clear valves is often required. It's diesel tractor not a automotive gas engine. That kind of long duration isn't possible on a diesel. Compression will be lost if the valves are not shut shortly after the piston starts up on the compression stroke. The result is a non starting diesel. High lift isn't possible because the valves arn't open long enough to get a cam lobe ground that high. Diesel fuel burns slow so high rpms isn't going to gain alot of power, so long duration cam timing to improve breathing is not required or needed. When you calculate piston speed with the Deere's long stroke, they are moving pretty fats already even though the crank rpms are modest. There is a little bit of power in some extra lift and duration but not much. Just make certain the cam isn't worn down from stock specs. Power is in airflow from improving ports, valve seats,valves, air filtration and exhaust restriction. Then adding more fuel. If you want your two cylinder to make all the power it can for the least $$$ then call Albert. He has already explored and paid for what works and what doesen't.

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