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52 JD B fuel Supply

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pa_popper

12-14-2002 08:39:47




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I drove my B around this morning and then let it sit at half throttle for about 15 minutes just to "get the bugs out" after it had sat for a few weeks. When I climbed up and tried to take off, it was sputtering with shots of black smoke. Playing with the choke helped some, but didn't completly help.
I turned off the fuel valve, took off the fuel bowl and dumped some junk out. When I turned on the valve fuel comes out fine. I put the bowl back on, but when I turn on the valve, the bowl doesn't fill. It will only fill the bowl when I loosen the bowl retainer nut so it can breath. It fills up fine then. Is this normal, or is this where the stutter is coming from? Of course, it doesn't start now. Any help appreciated.

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John T

12-14-2002 12:13:53




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 Re: 52 JD B fuel Supply in reply to pa_popper, 12-14-2002 08:39:47  
Hi Popper, I just read the below and am wondering if theres any confusion as to what is meant by the sediment bowl??? The Sediment Bowl is the glass bowl underneath the tank, most of which, have a screw in shut off valve. Where the fuel line from the sediment bowl goes horizintal into the side of the carb, thats the carbs fuel strainer, which has a horizintal drain plug there on its side (1/8" pipe thread I think, take it out and drain and blow and clean that area out, and if you have to remove its top, you will likely need a new gasket). Fuel enters that strainer and then gets into the bowl via the needle valve seat which is open until the float level rises high enough to shut it off. Sooooo, if the carbs bowl isnt gettign a good size stream of gas continually flowing out of it, theres a restriction in either the sediment bowl area, or that side strainer needle seat/valve area, or the line. Often, the restriction is where fuel enters the sediment bowl out of the tank bottom and then turns 90 and out those 2 little horizintal side holes that fill the glass bowl. Remove the fuel line at the side of the carb where it enters the strainer, open the sed bolw valve, and there should be a good flow of gas there. If not, its the line or probably the sediment bowl intake pipe area where it goes up inside the tank or those 2 little side holes I mentioned above. Remove the glass and see what kind of flow is running into the glass area (out the lil holes) and sometinmes with mig welding wire or an air gun you can clean that out. If you do have good flow out the sed bowl and into the carb strainer but NOT out the bottom of carb bowl, the restriction is either in the needle/seat or that side strainer area. A little clean out of the sediment bowl intake pipe area will probably get you going againa and DONT ovwetighten tighten the bottom bowl nut. Ol John T Nordhoff

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pa_popper

12-14-2002 12:22:23




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 Re: Re: 52 JD B fuel Supply in reply to John T, 12-14-2002 12:13:53  
WOW. I've got the heavyweights answering my questions today!! Thanks for the followup. I was straight on what I meant, just may not have been calling things by the right names. I was confused by the fact that the glass sediment bowl didn't fill back up when I put it back on and turned on the fuel valve. I thought maybe a vent tube was plugged. But when I opened the carb drain as clooney suggested, it filled up fine. Which meant I had to keep looking for my problem. I beleieve it turned out to be fouled plugs becase I let it sit for 15 minutes at about half throttle. I didn't think it could be too serious because this tractor runs like a top!! Anyways, thanks for your help. I enjoy reading both your and Clooney's posts. It's rainy, cold and crappy today in NE PA. Bad day to be getting covered with gas....

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pa_popper...thanks clooney

12-14-2002 12:00:42




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 Re: 52 JD B fuel Supply in reply to pa_popper, 12-14-2002 08:39:47  
I checked as you said. "Pencil sized stream for 30 seconds." (Sediment filled up once I opened the carb drain) Popped the WICO cover to make sure there wasn't any moisture in there. Only yellow, sulfer like dust. Next, yanked both AC plugs. Both were covered with black soot. Used emery cloth to clean up a little bit. Took a bit to start, but once it started, it seemed to run fine. I'm going to get two new plugs before I go out and play again. And no more letting it sit that long running. Thanks again.

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Clooney

12-14-2002 09:00:58




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 Re: 52 JD B fuel Supply in reply to pa_popper, 12-14-2002 08:39:47  
Pa_popper, if your are talking about the sediment bowl on the strainer assembly, if will only fill until the air pressure inside reaches tank pressure [atmospheric pressure] which will usually leave it only partially full. As soon as the carb needle opens it will fill as the fuel can then flow to & through the carb so the sediment bowl will fill.
~Open the carb drain valve on the bottom of the carb & see if you are getting a pencil sized stream of fuel for at least 30 seconds, [if not you have a flow restriction in the fuel system somewhere] ~If you are getting a good fuel flow for 30 seconds+ then your problem is probably dirt in the carb circuits or needle adjustments.

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pa_popper

12-14-2002 09:07:02




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 Re: Re: 52 JD B fuel Supply in reply to Clooney, 12-14-2002 09:00:58  

Thanks for the quick response. I wanted to know about the sediment bowl before I started messing with the carb. It did have icing/frost on the outside of the carb this morning after it started, but it wasn't there when I had the sputtering problem (it's about 35 degrees here). If I don't get a stream at the bottom of the carb drain and I see that the sediment bowl isn't filling, does that mean it is still in the carb and not an issue with venting in the sedimaent bowl assembly?

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Clooney

12-14-2002 09:22:32




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 Re: Re: Re: 52 JD B fuel Supply in reply to pa_popper, 12-14-2002 09:07:02  
Pa_popper, if you don't get a good fuel flow at the carb drain, then suspect a fuel tank outlet restriction or the filter screen at the carb inlet. By testing at the carb drain you are effectively testing the whole fuel system at one place.
~That carb icing is pretty normal in cool damp weather.
~If the fuel system is flowing good post back for other things to try.



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pa_popper

12-14-2002 09:31:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 52 JD B fuel Supply in reply to Clooney, 12-14-2002 09:22:32  
thanks. I'll go give it a try.



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